Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
I'm sorry I read all these threads and didn't find any of them off topic... Except for ones like these... Why is it some people have to trash or make some bad comment about what someone says here??? (take what you need and leave the rest) We need to keep the peace here and everywhere in our lives... Life is way too short... -Original Message- From: Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net Sent: Jan 11, 2010 10:08 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay? Previously, at 9:53 pm -0500 1/11/10, John Musbach wrote: aren't you a nanny? You should know the moderation state of these lists, at least I would think so... no, I'm not a nanny -- If God lived on earth, people would break his windows. -- Jewish Proverb -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
At 7:14 PM -0700 1/11/2010, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 6:38 pm -0700 1/11/10, Robert Long wrote: As far as I know you Is this supposed to be on-list? I thought these lists were moderated! The thread is specifically ON TOPIC. The original article, as I cited in my OP, was written by Dan Knight -- you know, the guy that owns lowendmac.com. Many of us use Paypal to buy'n'sell Mac stuff. Understanding its ins and outs is VERY important. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
Guess I'm tired of this list being so off G3-G5's then, and should probably unsubscribe if I spend more than 20% of my list reading time, avoiding non-computer topics. I appreciate the help I have gotten in the past, and also enjoyed adding my expertise. Thank You. On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Dan wrote: At 7:14 PM -0700 1/11/2010, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 6:38 pm -0700 1/11/10, Robert Long wrote: As far as I know you Is this supposed to be on-list? I thought these lists were moderated! The thread is specifically ON TOPIC. The original article, as I cited in my OP, was written by Dan Knight -- you know, the guy that owns lowendmac.com. Many of us use Paypal to buy'n'sell Mac stuff. Understanding its ins and outs is VERY important. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
The G3-5-List has become sortof a catchall for LEM. But that's what happens when you spread all the knowlege out among a dozen lists. You could just skip over those threads that don't interest you. Remember: you cannot drink from the fire hydrant if you don't at least catch some of the water. - Dan. At 10:57 AM -0500 1/12/2010, Bill Connelly wrote: Guess I'm tired of this list being so off G3-G5's then, and should probably unsubscribe if I spend more than 20% of my list reading time, avoiding non-computer topics. I appreciate the help I have gotten in the past, and also enjoyed adding my expertise. Thank You. On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Dan wrote: At 7:14 PM -0700 1/11/2010, Paul Stamsen wrote: Previously, at 6:38 pm -0700 1/11/10, Robert Long wrote: As far as I know you Is this supposed to be on-list? I thought these lists were moderated! The thread is specifically ON TOPIC. The original article, as I cited in my OP, was written by Dan Knight -- you know, the guy that owns lowendmac.com. Many of us use Paypal to buy'n'sell Mac stuff. Understanding its ins and outs is VERY important. - Dan. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
I've just read this entire thread. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and insights on PayPal and credit card companies. To answer a few questions: Yes, this thread is on topic - not because I wrote the article and published it on LEM, but because PayPal is part of the Internet experience for many of us these days. No, it's not specific to G3/4/5 Macs, but it is an issue of importance to G3/4/5 users. The PRAM batteries... What? You didn't use LEM Swap?! humph. LOL. LEM Swap is *not* a dealer list; it's a place for individuals to sell their older Macs and related gear. I have a lot of Macs with dead PRAM batteries, and every few years I buy a big batch (10-15) of fresh ones from OWC or someone else. This time around Amazon.com had the best deal. Paypal, btw, did not remove the funds from your account. That first transaction, that expired, was simply a hold. That's how credit transactions work. I don't leave a lot of money in my PayPal account. Whatever they call it, they made it impossible for me to access over 90% of the funds in my account when they did this. You'd think someone as big as eBay/ PayPal would have a system in place to automatically search for duplicates. Is this supposed to be on-list? I thought these lists were moderated! From the list FAQ: What topics may be discussed? Anything relating to Power Mac G3s and G4s. G-Group is mostly an unmoderated closed group. Unmoderated means messages are sent to the group without prior knowledge of the group owner or managers; closed means only members may post. The group is closed to help fight spam, and first postings from new members must be reviewed and approved by a group manager before they are sent to the group, a step made necessary by spammers. Group managers are authorized to remove the following types of messages from the group archive: spam, test messages, and unsubscribe postings. Content of each message is the responsibility of the person posting it. All new group members are automatically set to moderated status. This is the only way to keep spammers out, which I'm sure all of you will admit we've done quite well. You have no idea how much spam we used to block before de-listing our groups from Google's public index. Since then, it's diminished greatly, but it's still necessary to moderate new members until we can verify that they are not spambots. After that, the group is pretty much unmoderated. If we find someone trolling, cheating members, posting in ALL CAPS, quoting excessively, using a blatantly offensive signature, etc., we will set them to moderated status either temporarily or permanently. When things go too far, we put a permanent ban on them. With few exceptions, the list managers (a.k.a. nannies) do not see messages before they are posted to the list. We don't have the time, resources, or patience to do that. We only moderate new members and those who have violated list rules or netiquette. Dan Knight, list owner -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
At 8:18 AM -0800 1/12/2010, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote: Paypal, btw, did not remove the funds from your account. That first transaction, that expired, was simply a hold. That's how credit transactions work. I don't leave a lot of money in my PayPal account. Whatever they call it, they made it impossible for me to access over 90% of the funds in my account when they did this. You'd think someone as big as eBay/PayPal would have a system in place to automatically search for duplicates. The Hold / Confirmation system is ruled by the Visa/MC/Discover networks and contracts, not by the individual processors (eg Paypal). How does the processor tell the difference between an erroneous hold, and a hold for purchase 1 and a hold for purchase 2, that just happen to be the same amount? :\ It is up to the vendor to release the erroneous hold. To protect against vendors that can't be bothered to do so, holds expire after a few days. heh. I've had some big frustrations over this recently. A gas station I frequent takes out a $20 hold then hits your account with a new hold and confirms for the actual gas you get, without releasing the original hold. It then takes three to four days for the first hold to expire. Of course, my account didn't have a lot of $ in it, so I ended up looking like an idiot at a restaurant a few hours later. Each time I've called Paypal about this, they immediately manually released the hold. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay? PRAM batteries
On 1/12/2010 9:18 AM, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote: I have a lot of Macs with dead PRAM batteries, and every few years I buy a big batch (10-15) of fresh ones from OWC or someone else. This time around Amazon.com had the best deal. Do you know how long the batteries last, if not used. I'd like to buy a few for my Pismo, just to keep them, incase they become hard to find. But if they'd decay while on the holding shelf, that will defeat the purpose. Can someone please address this point? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
Remember: you cannot drink from the fire hydrant if you don't at least catch some of the water. Very good! Is this one of your own? Andy -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay? PRAM batteries
I can still get mine for my 1993 Mac Perfoma 475 at Radio Shack!!! So I think they will still be around for a while, also I think they are used for other stuff in the electronics world... -Original Message- From: nestamicky nestami...@gmail.com Sent: Jan 12, 2010 2:45 PM To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay? PRAM batteries On 1/12/2010 9:18 AM, Dan Knight, LowEndMac.com wrote: I have a lot of Macs with dead PRAM batteries, and every few years I buy a big batch (10-15) of fresh ones from OWC or someone else. This time around Amazon.com had the best deal. Do you know how long the batteries last, if not used. I'd like to buy a few for my Pismo, just to keep them, incase they become hard to find. But if they'd decay while on the holding shelf, that will defeat the purpose. Can someone please address this point? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
Previously, at 6:38 pm -0700 1/11/10, Robert Long wrote: As far as I know you Is this supposed to be on-list? I thought these lists were moderated! Paul -- Nobody talks so constantly about God as those who insist that there is no God. -- Heywood Broun -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
On 1/11/10, Paul Stamsen pjs...@bresnan.net wrote: Previously, at 6:38 pm -0700 1/11/10, Robert Long wrote: As far as I know you Is this supposed to be on-list? I thought these lists were moderated! aren't you a nanny? You should know the moderation state of these lists, at least I would think so... -- Best Regards, John Musbach -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Off-Topic RE: PayPal: Yea or Nay?
Previously, at 9:53 pm -0500 1/11/10, John Musbach wrote: aren't you a nanny? You should know the moderation state of these lists, at least I would think so... no, I'm not a nanny -- If God lived on earth, people would break his windows. -- Jewish Proverb -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
