Re: PCI graphics card for Yikes G$
I have put a Radeon 7000 in mine and i got a very slight bump, but it still isn't playable. The only solution i have found is to use something along the lines of Videobox and let the computer convert it into something that the machine can play. I have a 400 bumped to 450 G4 Yikes with 768 of memory. I haven't tried enabling the Quartz Extreme Patch because I am updated to 10.4.11 and I heard it stop working prior to that. I don't have any other PCI cards in my machine so even if I did enable the patch I wouldn't know if it would slow down my ata bus. I don't know how the bus's are laid out on this yikes board. I think.. THINK.. they went to two PCI bus's in the earlier G3 machines but they had scsi in them. If anyone does have a block diagram of the Yikes/G4 or BW/G3 block diagram of where all the buses are I would love to take a look.. I have goggled to no end trying to find them. Thanks!!! and Good luck on flash problem Hope you find a solution (short of tossing the G4 in heap and replacing it).. Gus. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PCI graphics card for Yikes G$
On Aug 23, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Gus wrote: I haven't tried enabling the Quartz Extreme Patch because I am updated to 10.4.11 and I heard it stop working prior to that. This is not true. PCI Extreme 3.1 stopped working for one single OS X Update, I believe it was 10.4.4 perhaps, and works fine in all other versions of Tiger including 10.4.11. I don't have any other PCI cards in my machine so even if I did enable the patch I wouldn't know if it would slow down my ata bus. If you place your PCI video card in the special video PCI slot, there will be no slowdown because the special video slot is double the speed of the regular PCI slots, and makes your PCI video card the equivalent speed of AGPx1, the minimum speed for Quartz Extreme according to Apple. Using PCI Extreme on a BW or Yikes should be the optimal use for PCI Extreme because of the special video PCI slot. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
PCI graphics card for Yikes G$
Hello to the group! I currently am running a 400mhz Yikes G4 with a 1GB ram with the stock ATI video card. I'm amazed that this computer is still viable for everyday casual use, 10 years after we first purchased it. But I don't like how it handles you tube and other streaming videos, the video is very choppy while the sound is fine. The computer is hooked up to a 6Mps DSL via ethernet. Will upgrading my video card to a Radeon 7000 or 9200 take care of this problem? BTW, I'm not interested in 3D gaming just smooth streaming video. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PCI graphics card for Yikes G$
On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Yikes owner wrote: Hello to the group! I currently am running a 400mhz Yikes G4 with a 1GB ram with the stock ATI video card. I'm amazed that this computer is still viable for everyday casual use, 10 years after we first purchased it. But I don't like how it handles you tube and other streaming videos, the video is very choppy while the sound is fine. The computer is hooked up to a 6Mps DSL via ethernet. Will upgrading my video card to a Radeon 7000 or 9200 take care of this problem? BTW, I'm not interested in 3D gaming just smooth streaming video. Choppy video on slower computers is due to the modern requirements for YouTube. They use a newer version of Flash which is more compressed with higher quality than older versions used to be. The downside to this is that you need a faster computer to play it back. I've found that for YouTube to play back fairly at all, you need at least an 800 MHz G4 AND a Core-Image capable graphics card. The newer iterations of Flash use the graphics card for decompression, and anything less than Core-Image compatible will cause the CPU to have to do all the word. The result: a glorified slideshow... The bad news is that with the Yikes, you're VERY limited with what you can do. CPU upgrades fall short on speed and processing power and due to the lack of an AGP slot on the motherboard, you can never have Core-Image or even Quartz-Extreme graphics. Unfortunately there's not much you can do except upgrade to a newer machine. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PCI graphics card for Yikes G$
At 10:41 AM -0700 8/22/2010, Yikes owner wrote: 400mhz Yikes G4 with a 1GB ram with the stock ATI video card. don't like how it handles you tube and other streaming videos , the video is very choppy while the sound is fine. Try adding fmt=5 to the YouTube url. That tells YouTube to hit you with a lower resolution version of the video. It often makes things playable on older machines. The computer is hooked up to a 6Mps DSL via ethernet. Choppy video could also be caused by connectivity issues. Run a few speed tests to make sure your xDSL circuit is performing well. eg: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest Will upgrading my video card to a Radeon 7000 or 9200 take care of this problem? BTW, I'm not interested in 3D gaming just smooth streaming video. Yes, in part, but not necessarily for Flash content. Flash is very CPU-bound and only uses the GPU of the latest Macs. See Eric's reply. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PCI graphics card for Yikes G$
On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Eric Herbert wrote: due to the lack of an AGP slot on the motherboard, you can never have Core-Image or even Quartz-Extreme graphics. You can enable Quartz Extreme using PCI Extreme 3.1, and some PCI nVidia FX5200 and 6200 cards support Core Image over PCI on New World Macs such as the BW/Yikes and later, but won't work for Old World Beige and earlier. This may provide some information, dead links are available via Internet Archive Wayback Machine: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/Mac_PCI_FX5200/mac_PCI_FX5200.html Both Quartz Extreme Core Image work on hackintosh under Snow Leopard with an FX5200 or FX6200 PCI. Anyone using a PCI card in a Mac should be aware that normally using a PCI video card that doesn't support Quartz Extreme Core Image will disable both QE CI for the AGP or PCIe graphics card also. If you're using a PCI card in a Mac as a 2nd graphics card it's important to have one that will enable QE CI, or you will loose acceleration for both cards. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: PCI graphics card for Yikes G$
On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:15 PM, Kris Tilford wrote: On Aug 22, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Eric Herbert wrote: due to the lack of an AGP slot on the motherboard, you can never have Core-Image or even Quartz-Extreme graphics. You can enable Quartz Extreme using PCI Extreme 3.1, and some PCI nVidia FX5200 and 6200 cards support Core Image over PCI on New World Macs such as the BW/Yikes and later, but won't work for Old World Beige and earlier. This may provide some information, dead links are available via Internet Archive Wayback Machine: http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/Graphics/Mac_PCI_FX5200/mac_PCI_FX5200.html Both Quartz Extreme Core Image work on hackintosh under Snow Leopard with an FX5200 or FX6200 PCI. Anyone using a PCI card in a Mac should be aware that normally using a PCI video card that doesn't support Quartz Extreme Core Image will disable both QE CI for the AGP or PCIe graphics card also. If you're using a PCI card in a Mac as a 2nd graphics card it's important to have one that will enable QE CI, or you will loose acceleration for both cards. Yes, you can enable QE/CI on the PCI bus, but the problem (and hence why Apple chose to not support either on the PCI bus) is that it hogs bandwidth from the rest of the PCI bus to do it causing the rest of the computer to slow down. So yes, while you CAN do it, it's just not a good idea. The only exception to that is if you're using a PCI card in an AGP system as a second card. In that case it won't impact performance on the rest of the machine too badly since it isn't working full time to draw the main working window. That said, there will still be a performance impact on the PCI bus by doing so. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
