Re: LAN

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:49 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> I was unaware Apple messed with Samba. It appears you're correct, the
> needed "patches" for OS X are evidently available here:
> >
>
> According to:
>
> 
>
> version 3.0.25b was a "normal" release from June 26th, 2007.
>
> I count these as standard "stable" releases since then:
>
> 3.0.25c, 3.0.26, 3.0.26a, 3.0.27, 3.0.27a, 3.0.28, 3.0.28a, 3.0.29,
> 3.0.30, 3.0.33, 3.0.34, 3.2.0, 3.2.3, 3.2.4, 3.2.5, 3.2.6,  3.2.7,
> 3.2.8, 3.2.9 and the current stable release 3.3.0.
>
> This means Apple is not 5 updates behind, but a staggering 20 updates
> behind. Remember, these are only counting standard stable releases,
> not any alpha, beta releases, or release candidates. The current
> bleeding edge is version 4.0.0 alpha 3.

there's also the question of "What are you gaining with the updates?"  
Some projects release a new version for every damn bug fix. The key is  
to go through the changelog and see what, if any, functionality you're  
gaining, and if it even applies to you. I can't count the number of  
various program updates I've run into, with a new version number that  
were "fixed XYZ with Red Hat and ABC with Solaris".

Like the sign that used to live above our server bench, back when we  
had 4 different Unix systems:

"You are in a maze of twisty little unixes, each slightly different"

It's fine for some hobbyist to mess around and try the latest&greatest  
of everything, but when you're dealing with an OS with a thousand  
interlinking 3rd party parts (which is, after all, pretty much what  
Unix is) being installed on millions of devices, well, you approach  
change a little bit more carefully, especially when it's a piece as  
deeply tied to the user experience as smb.

Finally, Apple also has a bad habit of compiling diffs into their code  
without updating the version number reported. I've run into this a  
couple of times.

I will admit, in 10.5 I've not had any of the problems that used to  
plague SMB connections in the early days: no more "choked down to 5  
bits per second" file transfers, no more infuriating "I just can't  
seem to connect any more" -32 errors that required rebooting to clear.  
Windows shares will no longer slip into a coma when the system sleeps  
(Something that is directly attributable to Windows, my smb shares on  
our Linux boxes are rock-solid).

I've been a sysadmin long enough to appreciate the wisdom of "If it  
ain't broke, don't fix it!" school of thought.


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Re: LAN

[Dan]

At 6:15 AM -0800 2/10/2009, norm46 wrote:
>I already had this set up in system preferences and I have the
>firewall set to accept all in coming calls. On the PC I the C drive
>set to share. The firewall set to accept all calls. Still no sign of
>my Mac on it.

I've noticed that quite often the share doesn't show up in the 
network browsers where it should.  But a direct connection, by ip, 
will often connect to it.

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Re: LAN

[norm46]

I already had this set up in system preferences and I have the
firewall set to accept all in coming calls. On the PC I the C drive
set to share. The firewall set to accept all calls. Still no sign of
my Mac on it. If I go to "go network" there is nothing showing. The
windows Vista group is a total lose as it is all porn. Like I said
with Tiger and XP the thing worked. Kris I looked at the sights you
mentioned but what am I do do with them? I started out with a Lisa so
I'm not a complete dunce but I need some help O.K.

On Feb 10, 1:49 am, Kris Tilford  wrote:
> > On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:58 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
> >> On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:
> >>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
> >>> the Mac uses SMB to access Windows.
>
> >> I think OS X SMB version is about 5 updates behind the current stable
> >> SMB release? I don't understand why someone doesn't compile the
> >> current release for OS X and make it available?
>
> > Because it isn't necessarily as easy as that? smbd version number in
> > OS X is "Version 3.0.25b-apple" which means Apple's done things to it.
> > simply swapping in the currentversion could well break things.
>
> I was unaware Apple messed with Samba. It appears you're correct, the  
> needed "patches" for OS X are evidently available here:
>   >
>
> According to:
>
> 
>
> version 3.0.25b was a "normal" release from June 26th, 2007.
>
> I count these as standard "stable" releases since then:
>
> 3.0.25c, 3.0.26, 3.0.26a, 3.0.27, 3.0.27a, 3.0.28, 3.0.28a, 3.0.29,  
> 3.0.30, 3.0.33, 3.0.34, 3.2.0, 3.2.3, 3.2.4, 3.2.5, 3.2.6,  3.2.7,  
> 3.2.8, 3.2.9 and the current stable release 3.3.0.
>
> This means Apple is not 5 updates behind, but a staggering 20 updates  
> behind. Remember, these are only counting standard stable releases,  
> not any alpha, beta releases, or release candidates. The current  
> bleeding edge is version 4.0.0 alpha 3.
>
> I'd like to see someone apply the Apple patches and see if the current  
> version works? Probably too risky for your average user. I don't have  
> any PCs on my network or else I'd give it a try.
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Re: LAN

[Kris Tilford]

> On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:58 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>>> the Mac uses SMB to access Windows.
>>
>> I think OS X SMB version is about 5 updates behind the current stable
>> SMB release? I don't understand why someone doesn't compile the
>> current release for OS X and make it available?
>
> Because it isn't necessarily as easy as that? smbd version number in
> OS X is "Version 3.0.25b-apple" which means Apple's done things to it.
> simply swapping in the currentversion could well break things.

I was unaware Apple messed with Samba. It appears you're correct, the  
needed "patches" for OS X are evidently available here:


According to:



version 3.0.25b was a "normal" release from June 26th, 2007.

I count these as standard "stable" releases since then:

3.0.25c, 3.0.26, 3.0.26a, 3.0.27, 3.0.27a, 3.0.28, 3.0.28a, 3.0.29,  
3.0.30, 3.0.33, 3.0.34, 3.2.0, 3.2.3, 3.2.4, 3.2.5, 3.2.6,  3.2.7,  
3.2.8, 3.2.9 and the current stable release 3.3.0.

This means Apple is not 5 updates behind, but a staggering 20 updates  
behind. Remember, these are only counting standard stable releases,  
not any alpha, beta releases, or release candidates. The current  
bleeding edge is version 4.0.0 alpha 3.

I'd like to see someone apply the Apple patches and see if the current  
version works? Probably too risky for your average user. I don't have  
any PCs on my network or else I'd give it a try.

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Re: LAN

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Kris Tilford wrote:

>
> On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>
>> the Mac uses SMB to access Windows.
>
> I think OS X SMB version is about 5 updates behind the current stable
> SMB release? I don't understand why someone doesn't compile the
> current release for OS X and make it available?

Because it isn't necessarily as easy as that? smbd version number in  
OS X is "Version 3.0.25b-apple" which means Apple's done things to it.  
simply swapping in the currentversion could well break things.

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Re: LAN

[Kris Tilford]

On Feb 9, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> the Mac uses SMB to access Windows.

I think OS X SMB version is about 5 updates behind the current stable  
SMB release? I don't understand why someone doesn't compile the  
current release for OS X and make it available?


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Re: LAN

[Bruce Johnson]

On Feb 9, 2009, at 7:18 PM, Norm Rowe wrote:

>
> Dan
> Mac 10.5.6 does not have any setting to turn on Windows sharing and
> neither does Vista have one to share a Mac.

system Prefs > Sharing > File Sharing > Options and click "Share files  
and Folders via SMB"

As for Vista, simply set up sharing, the Mac uses SMB to access Windows.
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Re: LAN

[Clark Martin]

Norm Rowe wrote:
> Dan
> Mac 10.5.6 does not have any setting to turn on Windows sharing and 
> neither does Vista have one to share a Mac.

In 10.5 you enable File Sharing then click on Options and enable SMB

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RE: LAN

[Norm Rowe]

Dan
Mac 10.5.6 does not have any setting to turn on Windows sharing and 
neither does Vista have one to share a Mac.

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Re: LAN

[Dan]

At 9:36 AM -0500 2/9/2009, Norm Rowe wrote:
>My G4 wired to a dLink 625 router and a Compaq laptop wireless to same router.
>Mac using OS 10.5.6 and the PC using Vista Home fermium SP1.
>
>How do I set up each so they can see the other?

On the Mac, turn on windows file sharing.

On the PC, turn on windows file sharing.

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