Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-19 Thread trag
On May 18, 1:27 pm, Clark Martin cm...@sonic.net wrote: Mac G4 wrote: Hello, I have a G4 MDD that only came with 2 (4 if you count the keyboard) usb ports. I am not very concerned with the 1.0 versus 2.0, so considering that - my question is this: Should I get a usb pci card or just

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-19 Thread trag
On May 19, 11:36 am, trag t...@io.com wrote: The chipset is NEC D720101GJ and any card with the same chipset should be virtually identical because the card makers usually build them to the chip manufacturer's reference design for that chipset. I just wanted to add a bit and a tiny

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-19 Thread insightinmind
On May 18, 2009, at 4:59 PM, Bill Connelly wrote: adaptec Duoconnect AUA-3020A USB 2.0 / FW400 PCI card alongside my M-Audio 2496 PCI audio card. Has an NEC chipset if I read the right chip on the card before inserting it: NEC Japan D720 101GT (error) Correction: NEC D720101GJ is the

RE: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-19 Thread Mac G4
Subject: Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card? From: t...@io.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com On May 19, 11:36 am, trag t...@io.com wrote: The chipset is NEC D720101GJ and any card with the same chipset should be virtually identical because the card makers usually build them to the chip

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Ralph Green
Howdy, A hub is cheap, and works for a lot of things. What do you want to plug in? Each USB hub on the computer can drive .5 amps. If you are plugging in multiple devices that need power, you may need a powered hub or the pci card. Not all PCI USB cards work in the Mac. Look in the

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Ken Daggett
On 18 May 2009, at 05:23:00 PDT, Ralph Green wrote: Howdy, A hub is cheap, and works for a lot of things. What do you want to plug in? Each USB hub on the computer can drive .5 amps. If you are plugging in multiple devices that need power, you may need a powered hub or the pci

RE: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Mac G4
Hello Thanks!, I found this post when searching the group - looks like if i get a card with the chipset NEC, ALI, TI or OPTI it should work. I should stay away from VIA chipset (which seems to be in most cards based on preliminary google searches). Subject: Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Dan
At 6:11 AM -0700 5/18/2009, Ken Daggett wrote: You can only connect 4 devices (I Think it's 4, could be 5) to each port, no matter how many ports a hub might have. Each USB bus supports up to 64 devices. In general, the limitation most people come against is power and throughput. - Dan. -- -

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Ken Daggett
On 18 May 2009, at 08:26:16 PDT, Dan wrote: At 6:11 AM -0700 5/18/2009, Ken Daggett wrote: You can only connect 4 devices (I Think it's 4, could be 5) to each port, no matter how many ports a hub might have. Each USB bus supports up to 64 devices. In general, the limitation most people

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On May 18, 2009, at 6:11 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: Another consideration: You can only connect 4 devices (I Think it's 4, could be 5) to each port, no matter how many ports a hub might have. That is manifestly untrue. USB supports 127 devices per host controller, each USB port on the Mac has

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On May 18, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: Thus, plugging in a hub took one allocation and each port of the hub got one. I have never seen a USB hub with more than 4 ports. Seemed to make sense. Well it was wrong. I have one 5-port and one 7 port USB hub at home. You can still buy

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Doug McNutt
At 09:04 -0700 5/18/09, Ken Daggett wrote: On 18 May 2009, at 08:26:16 PDT, Dan wrote: Each USB bus supports up to 64 devices. That was my understanding, but I recall reading something about power allocation that said that each connected device received an allocation of power whether or not

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Dan
At 9:04 AM -0700 5/18/2009, Ken Daggett wrote: On 18 May 2009, at 08:26:16 PDT, Dan wrote: At 6:11 AM -0700 5/18/2009, Ken Daggett wrote: You can only connect 4 devices (I Think it's 4, could be 5) to each port, no matter how many ports a hub might have. Each USB bus supports up to 64

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Len Gerstel
On May 18, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On May 18, 2009, at 9:04 AM, Ken Daggett wrote: Thus, plugging in a hub took one allocation and each port of the hub got one. I have never seen a USB hub with more than 4 ports. Seemed to make sense. Well it was wrong. I have one

RE: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Mac G4
So this has wildly gone in a direction that I don't have a need (or probably a care) for. Does anyone have some recommendations for a PCI USB card that will work in a G4 MDD running 10.4.11? Thanks From: lgers...@gmail.com Subject: Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card? Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 12:39

RE: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread diane
At 12:50 PM -0400 5/18/09, Mac G4 wrote: So this has wildly gone in a direction that I don't have a need (or probably a care) for. Does anyone have some recommendations for a PCI USB card that will work in a G4 MDD running 10.4.11? Hi, I am running this one

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Bruce Johnson
On May 18, 2009, at 9:50 AM, Mac G4 wrote: So this has wildly gone in a direction that I don't have a need (or probably a care) for. Does anyone have some recommendations for a PCI USB card that will work in a G4 MDD running 10.4.11? I had an IOGear one in mine, however, since mine

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Clark Martin
Mac G4 wrote: Hello, I have a G4 MDD that only came with 2 (4 if you count the keyboard) usb ports. I am not very concerned with the 1.0 versus 2.0, so considering that - my question is this: Should I get a usb pci card or just a usb hub? If I do get a pci card are they specific to

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Clark Martin
Ken Daggett wrote: On 18 May 2009, at 05:23:00 PDT, Ralph Green wrote: Howdy, A hub is cheap, and works for a lot of things. What do you want to plug in? Each USB hub on the computer can drive .5 amps. If you are plugging in multiple devices that need power, you may need a

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Clark Martin
Ken Daggett wrote: On 18 May 2009, at 08:26:16 PDT, Dan wrote: At 6:11 AM -0700 5/18/2009, Ken Daggett wrote: You can only connect 4 devices (I Think it's 4, could be 5) to each port, no matter how many ports a hub might have. Each USB bus supports up to 64 devices. It's 127 devices.

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Dan
At 11:39 AM -0700 5/18/2009, Clark Martin wrote: Ken Daggett wrote: On 18 May 2009, at 08:26:16 PDT, Dan wrote: Each USB bus supports up to 64 devices. It's 127 devices. FireWire supports 63 or 64 devices per branch. Yea. Realized that typo after I'd sent it. :( Actually, it's 128

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Kris Tilford
On May 18, 2009, at 8:35 AM, Mac G4 wrote: I should stay away from VIA chipset VIA works if you install their software: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420OSID=23CatID=2470SubCatID=122 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because

Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Bill Connelly
I had problems before where a USB Hub might have been a better choice, but ... Out of curiosity, since I'd replaced my QS 2002 Dual mobo, I'm again trying my adaptec Duoconnect AUA-3020A USB 2.0 / FW400 PCI card alongside my M-Audio 2496 PCI audio card. Seems to be functioning - playing

Re: [G3-5]RE: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread MaGioZal
On 5/18/09 1:50 PM, Mac G4 at g4mac...@hotmail.com wrote: So this has wildly gone in a direction that I don't have a need (or probably a care) for. Does anyone have some recommendations for a PCI USB card that will work in a G4 MDD running 10.4.11? I'm using here a 3-bus, 5 (plus 1

Re: [G3-5]Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread MaGioZal
On 5/18/09 5:22 PM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=420OSID=23CatID=2470SubCatID=1 22 Well, when I bought a USB 2.0 PCI card with a VIA chipset about one year and half ago, I tried to install the drivers, but I ain' got any success. I

Re: [G3-5]Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread Kris Tilford
On May 18, 2009, at 4:09 PM, MaGioZal wrote: Well, when I bought a USB 2.0 PCI card with a VIA chipset about one year and half ago, I tried to install the drivers, but I ain' got any success. I was running at the time Mac OS 9 + Mac OS 10.2 on a Beige G3, and both systems did not

Re: [G3-5]Re: USB Hub versus PCI Card?

2009-05-18 Thread MaGioZal
On 5/18/09 7:13 PM, Kris Tilford at ktilfo...@cox.net wrote: OS 10.2 isn't very good for USB, both Panther and Tiger are large improvements for USB. The Beige G3 isn't very good for PCI cards (the Beige has a PCI 1.0 bus, whereas almost all PCI cards are PCI 1.1 or newer, so some VIA USB