Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
hi, I just got the DA case and transferred my 1.5ghz and 9200-64MB, and the rest. Works like a charm, definitely better than in the sawtooth. Actually even with the 466 cpu it seemed snappier, came out most benchmarks with xbench about 25% lower than my pismo 550g4. With upgrades, Xbench says its half the speed of his g5. OK for me. This is my high end machine. I still use the pismo and less: a couple g3s an original g4, and some quadras including a 540c I use regularly for study and writing. Just a believer in efficiency I guess, or fit to the job or something. On Jan 30, 8:45 pm, tortoise wrote: > hi, > > I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. > > I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth > it to go toDA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? > > Also could I transplant a motherboard into the sawtooth case > (possibly along with the higher rated powersupply) ? There are > motherboards available cheap on ebay and of course the shipping is > cheaper too (and I feel better about reusing the case and recycling > the old mobo if possible). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
PeterH wrote: > On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:36 PM, tortoise wrote: > > The cited ePray auction, above, is for a later 100 MHz bus CPU in an > earlier 100 MHz bus Mac, not a 133 MHz bus CPU (such as QS or DA) in > a 100 MHz bus Mac As far as I know, no 600mhz 7410 put in a 100mhz bus machine was made. And the seller there declares it came from a 1...@800mhz, and that he modified it (in an unspecified way). He's been posting these one at a time for some time now. There's one going now currently (the link I posted had expired). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:36 PM, tortoise wrote: >> Can't be done for two reasons: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&item=270322238067 >> My statement specifically counseled against a (133 MHz bus) Quicksilver CPUs in 100 MHz bus Macs. The cited ePray auction, above, is for a later 100 MHz bus CPU in an earlier 100 MHz bus Mac, not a 133 MHz bus CPU (such as QS or DA) in a 100 MHz bus Mac. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Feb 3, 10:08 pm, PeterH wrote: > On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:53 PM, tortoise wrote: > > > Do you know the mod to make QS cpu work in sawtooth ? > > Can't be done for two reasons: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT&item=270322238067 > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
Howdy, This is the article I saved on how to upgrade a gigabit. I plan to upgrade a G4 gigabit motherboard when I find the right CPU. http://homepage.mac.com/josephk/G4_mod.html The sawtooth is similar. Here is a page talking about upgrading processors on a sawtooth. I included the previous link, because you might need the info about the extra power cable, depending on exactly what you do. http://power-mac-g4.com/g4clockup.html Good day, Ralph On Tue, 2009-02-03 at 21:53 -0800, tortoise wrote: > Do you know the mod to make QS cpu work in sawtooth ? If I could do > that it might help me get more resale value... there was a guy on ebay > selling the 800s that come out to 600 on the 100mhz bus, looks like a > 733 would work out to 550 like that. Don't know how hard it is to do > tho. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Feb 3, 2009, at 9:53 PM, tortoise wrote: > Do you know the mod to make QS cpu work in sawtooth ? Can't be done for two reasons: 1) Sawtooth is a 100 MHz bus machine, and those require a different location for its CPU socket and a different cooling system location, and 2) QS requires an independent source of +12 volts, which can be derived from any drive power connector. The beauty of the third party CPUs is they are designed for 100/133 MHz buses, and contain both the frequency switching logic AND an adjustable cooling system position. QS processors can be adapted to the other 133 MHz bus machine, the DA. Gig-E processors can be adapted to some other 100 MHz bus machines. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Feb 2, 2:14 pm, PeterH wrote: > On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:51 PM, PeterH wrote: > > > The dual 800 MHz G4 (QS 2001) and the dual 1.0 GHz G4 (QS 2002) use > > the same "raw" board, but these are otherwise quite different, with > > different regulator components, etcetera, between the two. > > The point being: > > The dual 0.8 GHz (800 MHz) QS 2001 board is intentially run at a > lower (i.e., cooler) voltage than the dual 1.0 GHz (1000 MHz) QS 2001 > board, although the boards are identical before they are "stuffed" > with their active components. Do you know the mod to make QS cpu work in sawtooth ? If I could do that it might help me get more resale value... there was a guy on ebay selling the 800s that come out to 600 on the 100mhz bus, looks like a 733 would work out to 550 like that. Don't know how hard it is to do tho. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Feb 2, 12:52 pm, jonas ulrich wrote: > He isn't overclocking it. He's putting a new processor in. Probably a sonnet > upgrade or something.-Jonas Actually both, I got the OWC 1.2Ghz 7455cpu, that has switches on it for cpu speed. I reset the switches to 1.5 and it is working great and stable. Personally I wouldn't consider a sonnet, but maybe newer tech, they had a 1.5 for only $30 more. The owc is plug and play, except for need to do apple's firmware upgrade first. No special upgrade or software needed, so I can use it with Linux without worries. BTW I do think it is not getting all its speed. Although 1.5 is a bit faster feel. Testing last night I got ripping mp3 speed of 15-16x, compared to my g4 550 laptop gets 8x (same bus speed and virtually the same mobo). Seems the 1.5g should be more like in the 20-24x range... Wish I had a way to monitor Altivec usage (cpu monitor seems to indicate only the main cpu usage as it shows maxed out at about 5x ripping with Audion (non Altivec)). Another advantage of DA/QS is the whole bus structure changed. If you look at the block diagrams memory has a direct bus to the cpu where before it was merged into the main bus with pci. Also Firewire/Enet (both ? not sure) are up there too. Mem - cpu --- F/E || || PCI -- IDE This way I guess video not blocked during uncompression (skippings), other conflicts maybe better too (skippings worse w/ FW plug into anything active or not) Still I am not sure if I want / need to go through the hassle right now, getting a good deal on the new box, swapping all my parts, getting rid of the old one, etc, all for a 30% gain... > >> DAs and the related QSes remain incredibly productive machines, given > >> a fast CPU. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:51 PM, PeterH wrote: > The dual 800 MHz G4 (QS 2001) and the dual 1.0 GHz G4 (QS 2002) use > the same "raw" board, but these are otherwise quite different, with > different regulator components, etcetera, between the two. The point being: The dual 0.8 GHz (800 MHz) QS 2001 board is intentially run at a lower (i.e., cooler) voltage than the dual 1.0 GHz (1000 MHz) QS 2001 board, although the boards are identical before they are "stuffed" with their active components. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
Thanks for elaboration. Mel --- On Mon, 2/2/09, PeterH wrote: From: PeterH Subject: Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 1:51 PM On Feb 2, 2009, at 12:52 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: > He isn't overclocking it. He's putting a new processor in. Probably > a sonnet upgrade or something. > On a Mac, the "divisor" is built into the processor board. Of course, it is indeed possible to "overclock" a processor card, if one knows how to reprogram the PLL by changing its strapping. Many G4s will simply run too hot, when overclocked. Others may run OK, and be relatively cool to the touch. Example ... The dual 800 MHz G4 (QS 2001) and the dual 1.0 GHz G4 (QS 2002) use the same "raw" board, but these are otherwise quite different, with different regulator components, etcetera, between the two. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Feb 2, 2009, at 12:52 PM, jonas ulrich wrote: > He isn't overclocking it. He's putting a new processor in. Probably > a sonnet upgrade or something. > On a Mac, the "divisor" is built into the processor board. Of course, it is indeed possible to "overclock" a processor card, if one knows how to reprogram the PLL by changing its strapping. Many G4s will simply run too hot, when overclocked. Others may run OK, and be relatively cool to the touch. Example ... The dual 800 MHz G4 (QS 2001) and the dual 1.0 GHz G4 (QS 2002) use the same "raw" board, but these are otherwise quite different, with different regulator components, etcetera, between the two. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
He isn't overclocking it. He's putting a new processor in. Probably a sonnet upgrade or something.-Jonas On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Mel wrote: > > > Isn't overclocking a G4 DA to 1.g MHz pushing it? > > How much can you overclock a 667 MHz G4 DA? > > Mel > > --- On *Mon, 2/2/09, jonas ulrich * wrote: > > From: jonas ulrich > Subject: Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 12:34 PM > > > Definitely go for the Digital Audio Powermac with the 133MHZ bus speed. > -Jonas > > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:35 PM, PeterH wrote: > >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:45 PM, tortoise wrote: >> >> > I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. >> > >> > I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth >> > it to go to DA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? >> >> Go for the faster 133 MHz bus, hence a DA. >> >> You do lose one RAM slot (1.5 GB max), however. >> >> DAs and the related QSes remain incredibly productive machines, given >> a fast CPU. >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
Isn't overclocking a G4 DA to 1.g MHz pushing it? How much can you overclock a 667 MHz G4 DA? Mel --- On Mon, 2/2/09, jonas ulrich wrote: From: jonas ulrich Subject: Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 12:34 PM Definitely go for the Digital Audio Powermac with the 133MHZ bus speed.-Jonas On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:35 PM, PeterH wrote: On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:45 PM, tortoise wrote: > I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. > > I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth > it to go to DA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? Go for the faster 133 MHz bus, hence a DA. You do lose one RAM slot (1.5 GB max), however. DAs and the related QSes remain incredibly productive machines, given a fast CPU. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
Definitely go for the Digital Audio Powermac with the 133MHZ bus speed. -Jonas On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:35 PM, PeterH wrote: > > > On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:45 PM, tortoise wrote: > > > I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. > > > > I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth > > it to go to DA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? > > Go for the faster 133 MHz bus, hence a DA. > > You do lose one RAM slot (1.5 GB max), however. > > DAs and the related QSes remain incredibly productive machines, given > a fast CPU. > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
On Jan 30, 2009, at 8:45 PM, tortoise wrote: > I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. > > I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth > it to go to DA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? Go for the faster 133 MHz bus, hence a DA. You do lose one RAM slot (1.5 GB max), however. DAs and the related QSes remain incredibly productive machines, given a fast CPU. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Sawtooth vs DA/QuickSilver
hi, I just got this 1.5ghz cpu for my sawtooth and am enjoying it. I am wondering since the card is compatible would it be worth it to go to DA. Has anybody had the two to compare ? Also could I transplant a motherboard into the sawtooth case (possibly along with the higher rated powersupply) ? There are motherboards available cheap on ebay and of course the shipping is cheaper too (and I feel better about reusing the case and recycling the old mobo if possible). --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
