Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
Since the prices on MDD(Mirrored Drive Door) G4s is almost the same as a quicksilver now, I'd get a MDD. Any stock MDD is already way faster than any maxed out Yikes. If you choose the right one, the stock MDD will blow away virtually any upgraded Quicksilver -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
My Quicksilver gets a geekbech score of 1065, on par with the iMac G5. On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:54 PM, Wayne Stewart wrote: Since the prices on MDD(Mirrored Drive Door) G4s is almost the same as a quicksilver now, I'd get a MDD. Any stock MDD is already way faster than any maxed out Yikes. If you choose the right one, the stock MDD will blow away virtually any upgraded Quicksilver -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
I didn't mean that a Quicksilver was inordinately slow but right out of the box a MDD has certain advantages that you'll never get no matter how much you upgrade a Quicksilver. 167mhz bus speed, faster RAM and more RAM are just 3 of them. Start with a faster machine and if you feel like upgrading, you'll go even further. Incidentally, my MDD beats that geekbench score by almost 100 points and it's a long way from the fastest MDD out there On Dec 30, 5:00 pm, Alex Barnes kab...@gmail.com wrote: My Quicksilver gets a geekbech score of 1065, on par with the iMac G5. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
I just received a Yikes! G4 Mac, with 768MB RAM and a 433MHz processor. I would like some feedback on some recommended upgrades. I am planning on converting this system into a Linux server of some kind, preferably Yellow Dog Linux, and I've been browsing OWC and the only processor upgrade is a 1GHz G3 PowerLogix upgrade. Is there anything out there that's cheaper and would give me a similar boost in speed? Or would I be better off in just buying a Quicksilver? :P Thanks in advance! -- ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on we’re all damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode The Drumhead - Alex Smith (K4RNT) - Falls Church, Virginia USA -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
On Dec 29, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Alex Smith (K4RNT) wrote: Is there anything out there that's cheaper and would give me a similar boost in speed? I'm not a Yikes expert, but my understanding is that a Yikes is almost identical to a late BW G3, and when you upgrade the CPU to 1 GHz you're required to underclock the system bus from 100MHz back to 66MHz, so the net gain isn't as great as it might appear. I believe the CPU:bus ratio is limited to 6:1 maximum when running at 100MHz, so this means the max. full speed CPU would be a 600MHz G4. I think when underclocked to 66MHz you can get a 10x ratio, so perhaps a 1.2GHz G4 would be possible if they made one, but I don't think they ever made such I thing? The Yikes isn't the best Mac for upgrading, but all PPC PowerMacs are looking pretty slow and expensive in relation to cheap PC hackintoshes running Snow Leopard. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
On Dec 29, 7:18 am, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I've been browsing OWC and the only processor upgrade is a 1GHz G3 PowerLogix upgrade. Is there anything out there that's cheaper and would give me a similar boost in speed? If yoi can find a used Sonnet 500 mHz for under $25 it might be worthwhile. I know it doesn't sound like much of a spped bump but you get a larger cache with the Sonnet hence better performance. Also, max out the RAM to 1 GB. See if anyone has an ATTO SCSI card and a 15K SCSI hard drive for sale cheap. I set up a YIKES! with those mods for a friend of mine and it's been running well for the past 5 years, giving her internet access, email, iTunes, word processing, etc. with 10.4.11 as the OS. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
On Dec 29, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Alex Barnes wrote: I have a Sonnet Encore ST/G4 Duet that has dual 1.3 GHz G4s in it. It should work well with your PowerMac. $200 shipped? Will not work on his Yikes PCI G4. -- Bruce Johnson Wherever you go, there you are B. Banzai, PhD -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
On Dec 29, 6:18 am, Alex Smith (K4RNT) shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote: I just received a Yikes! G4 Mac, with 768MB RAM and a 433MHz processor. I would like some feedback on some recommended upgrades. I am planning on converting this system into a Linux server of some kind, preferably Yellow Dog Linux, and I've been browsing OWC and the only processor upgrade is a 1GHz G3 PowerLogix upgrade. Is there anything out there that's cheaper and would give me a similar boost in speed? Or would I be better off in just buying a Quicksilver? :P Thanks in advance! If your needs are modest, a Yikes! will do as a file server. However, a Yikes in general does not make a good file server. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, I believe the maximum hard drive that can be installed without add-ons is 120GB PATA drive. Second problem is that the IDE bus on the Yikes maxes out at 33MB/s, which can be slow for a modern hard drive. Your upgrade options are also limited. A PATA bus by itself is an issue; the PATA drives still available tend to be small and expensive. The fastest G4 upgrade I've seen for this model is 500Mhz, though there may well be others available. As you've noted, there is a 1GHz G3 available, which may be fine for a file server. The controller configuration is also not ideal for RAID. If I had to convert this to a file server, I'd put in a SATA hardware RAID card, assuming I could find a Linux driver to support it. I think anything you spend on this machine would automatically be more than its worth. A Quicksilver 2002 would be a far superior investment, since it supports large PATA drives out of the box. Eric -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Suggested upgrades for a Power Mac G4 PCI Graphics
I think anything you spend on this machine would automatically be more than its worth. A Quicksilver 2002 would be a far superior investment, since it supports large PATA drives out of the box. QS 2002s are great machines. Also QS 2001s and DAs. For some of the later G4s it is NOT required to install an ATA card in order to access large drives. Simply install the LBA48 property using Open Firmware. I ran my DAs for years and years that way and not even once did the persistent LBA48 property require resetting. I used that property on both the HD bus and the optical bus, as my optical bus (slave) was usually employed to initialize new drives or to test old drives. If considering a SATA card, which is probably a good idea as PATA maxes out at 750 GB, then try and find an Initio-based card. Those are bootable. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
