Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
On Jul 9, 10:35 pm, Ricardo Sevilla ae86dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I have a owc 1.2 ghz g4 with 2gigs of ram and a 500 gig hdd. My internet is nowhere near as fast as I think it should be and the computer itself is pretty slow for my tastes. I have the original video card in it as well. Is there anything I can do to this machine to make it faster? I dont want to upgrade to a newer computer just yet. I would like to make this g4 snappier and to my liking and after I accomplish this I will consider upgrading to a g5 or maybe even an older/newer iMac. any help/advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated What is the basic Apple model for this upgraded G4? Internal bus speed is a consideration. Also, for an assessment, please advise what type of internet connection you have, dial-up, DSL, or cable? And if possible, what is the rated through put of the connection? What is the modem? Are you using ethernet or the much slower Wi-Fi? One or more of these factors could be your choke point. What do you see for an Internet speed test? http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/ http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
Al Poulin wrote: On Jul 9, 10:35 pm, Ricardo Sevilla ae86dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all. I have a owc 1.2 ghz g4 with 2gigs of ram and a 500 gig hdd. My internet is nowhere near as fast as I think it should be and the computer itself is pretty slow for my tastes. I have the original video card in it as well. Is there anything I can do to this machine to make it faster? I dont want to upgrade to a newer computer just yet. I would like to make this g4 snappier and to my liking and after I accomplish this I will consider upgrading to a g5 or maybe even an older/newer iMac. any help/advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated What is the basic Apple model for this upgraded G4? Internal bus speed is a consideration. Also, for an assessment, please advise what type of internet connection you have, dial-up, DSL, or cable? And if possible, what is the rated through put of the connection? What is the modem? Are you using ethernet or the much slower Wi-Fi? One or more of these factors could be your choke point. What do you see for an Internet speed test? http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/ http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ Al Poulin OK I think thats a lot for me to respond to but I will try. The basic apple model is the 500 mhz g4 sawtooth. I believe the internal bus speed is the 100 mhz model. I am using cable internet. I dont understand what the rated through put is. I am not using a modem. If you meant the router it is a Netgear cg814gcmr. I am using the ethernet connection. And as for using the internet speed test, How do I do it? I am heading to work right now so I will not be able to return to my computer until late tonight. thank you for the help that was already given to me and I hope we can figure out this problem. thank you --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
On Jul 10, 2009, at 7:11 AM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: OK I think thats a lot for me to respond to but I will try. The basic apple model is the 500 mhz g4 sawtooth. I believe the internal bus speed is the 100 mhz model. I am using cable internet. I dont understand what the rated through put is. With cable internet companies generally offer different tiers of service: 1.5 megabits/second, 7 megabits/second, up to 20 megabits/ second. If you're paying for the very cheapest, you likely have 1.5 megabits, which is pretty slow. In any case 'internet speed' is generally governed by your connection, with the exception of video. With a 1.2 Ghz cpu this system shouldn't be too slow on video. The only upgrade that makes sense is to get a better video card, that will speed things up in general a lot, and I'll bet this is what you're seeing. I have a similar model, with a 1GHZ cpu upgrade, and moving from the original AGP to a Radeon 9000 made things a lot faster. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
On Jul 10, 2009, at 10:11 AM, Ricardo Sevilla wrote: What is the basic Apple model for this upgraded G4? Internal bus speed is a consideration. Also, for an assessment, please advise what type of internet connection you have, dial-up, DSL, or cable? And if possible, what is the rated through put of the connection? What is the modem? Are you using ethernet or the much slower Wi-Fi? One or more of these factors could be your choke point. What do you see for an Internet speed test? http://www.dslreports.com/speedtests/ http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ Al Poulin OK I think thats a lot for me to respond to but I will try. The basic apple model is the 500 mhz g4 sawtooth. I believe the internal bus speed is the 100 mhz model. I am using cable internet. I dont understand what the rated through put is. I am not using a modem. If you meant the router it is a Netgear cg814gcmr. I am using the ethernet connection. And as for using the internet speed test, How do I do it? You simply link to one of the above (I use www.speakeasy.net) in your browser, and just run the test from the browser window. I am heading to work right now so I will not be able to return to my computer until late tonight. thank you for the help that was already given to me and I hope we can figure out this problem. thank you The Netgear cg814gcmr has 10/100 Mbit/s hardwire ethernet capability, but only 54 Mbit/s wireless. Are you using wireless networking? You could get 100Mbs using hardwired networking off your onboard ethernet connection, if you're connected via a ethernet network wire. Its possible that your link speed is at a max (100) and that its your browser/display speed that needs improvement. Many folks have slow display problems due to sites use Flashplayer (I believe thats the one). Sucks up cpu energy, and slows down overall performance ... but with your 1.2GHz cpu upgrade ... I don't know. Maybe a better agp video card would help. I have a GeForce4 MX in my setup ... there are better ones that have PC versions that can be flashed. Another thread ... according to MacTracker, you have a 2x agp slot ... Your RAM is max'ed out. If you're running Leopard ... you could downgrade to Tiger, and see a significant overall computer performance increase ... possibly 10-15%. I run Xbench 1.3 as a measure of overall hardware performance (it seems to test everything: cpu, video, harddrive throughputs, etc). On my Digital Audio Dual 533, I see a score of around 35 under Tiger 10.4.11, and around 30 for Leopard 10.5.7. (14% !). I'm choosing to run Leopard just the same. I just added a Firmtek's SeriTek 1S2 SATA PCI card and a Seagate 7200.12 1TB (with 32MB buffer). I sense smoother operation, but don't notice much Xbench 1.3 improvement ... about 1 point. It is significantly faster than my 500GB Seagate I had running off my aged Sonnet Trio ATA133/FW400/USB1.1 PCI card (to override the LBA48 or 128GB harddrive limitation of the Digital Audio). Adding the SATA also opened me up to the cheaper SATA drives. I feel apps are opening quicker ... data is saved/retrieved to/from disk smoother. DVD Player functionality might be better too If you wanted to get Gigabit ethernet speeds, you could add a relatively inexpensive Rosewill 10/100/1000 PCI ethernet card (or other brand), but you would also need to have/get a Gigabit speed cable Modem/Router (I have DSL and 10/100 modem/router as my internet connection ... don't know about your cable modems). I connect at 100 Mbit/s as shown by the Network Utility (found in your Applications Utilities folder) after selecting Network Interface (en0) for onboard ethernet. With speakeasy speedtest, I see, being Serviced by San Franscisco, Download/Upload Speeds of 734/128 on the average. Apologies ... a bit more than my 2 cents worth ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Bill Connellybillycarm...@verizon.net wrote: The Netgear cg814gcmr has 10/100 Mbit/s hardwire ethernet capability, but only 54 Mbit/s wireless. Are you using wireless networking? You could get 100Mbs using hardwired networking off your onboard ethernet connection, if you're connected via a ethernet network wire. 54 Mbps and 100 Mbps are optimistic marketing numbers. Granted with wired ethernet you may get within shouting distance of the spec max. With wireless that's a LOT less likely to happen. See Rule #1: It never goes as fast as they say it does (link below). www.smallnetbuilder.com/content/view/24861/228/1/1/ All of which is not really that relevant if you are talking about LAN-to-Internet throughput. As (I think) Bruce pointed out, even the typical real-world throughput for 802.11g is often sufficient to cover the 7 or 8 Mbps (or *less*) downstream which is what you're likely to get from a cable modem ISP. Unless something is seriously wrong with a local network, it is unlikely to be the bottleneck for Internet transfers. Easiest way to rule it out is probably to do some file transfers on the local network and see what sort of throughput you get. If you're wondering what the bottleneck might be on LAN-to-LAN transfers, then a reasonably good ... perhaps dumbed down tedious for some ... look at possible bottlenecks is covered in the Tom's article Gigabit Ethernet: Dude, Where's My Bandwidth? (link below). www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabit-ethernet-bandwidth,2321.html -irrational john --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
I am confused as to which G4 I own. I purchased my PowerMacG4 from a college auction. My model # M5183 does not correspond with any of the info I have researched about G4s. I have AGP Graphics and it was copyrighted in 2000. Other specs: 400MHz /1 Mb Cache/ 128 SDRAM/ 30 Gb HD. Can anyone please help me identify which G4 I own? I plan to do some upgrades to make it compatible with Leopard. Currently I am using OS X 10.4.11 Tiger. Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
On Jul 9, 2009, at 7:37 PM, chamaeleon wrote: I am confused as to which G4 I own. I purchased my PowerMacG4 from a college auction. My model # M5183 does not correspond with any of the info I have researched about G4s. I have AGP Graphics and it was copyrighted in 2000. Other specs: 400MHz /1 Mb Cache/ 128 SDRAM/ 30 Gb HD. Can anyone please help me identify which G4 I own? I plan to do some upgrades to make it compatible with Leopard. Currently I am using OS X 10.4.11 Tiger. Thanks. The quick answer. According to MacTracker, M5183 is a Sawtooth. The upgrade options for the Sawtooth and Gigabit are the same. The only real difference is the addition of Gigabit ethernet over 100Mb ethernet. As far as upgrading, think about what you get for your money. If you buy them new, you will need a new processor (cheapest at OWC is $199 for 1.6 GHZ) and at least 512MB ram ($27 same place). Off of the swap list you are probably looking at a minimum of $150 for a processor that will run Leopard (867mhz minimum without hacks) and 512MB ram. I have seen Quicksilvers on the swap list for less the used upgrade, and a G5, single 1.8GHz, was listed for $265. Even the QS will get you a faster bus, faster video, native support for Leopard, but not as high a ram ceiling. 2Gb in the Sawtooth vs 1.5Gb in the QS. Len --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: agp graphics vs. gigabit ethernet
Hello all. I have a owc 1.2 ghz g4 with 2gigs of ram and a 500 gig hdd. My internet is nowhere near as fast as I think it should be and the computer itself is pretty slow for my tastes. I have the original video card in it as well. Is there anything I can do to this machine to make it faster? I dont want to upgrade to a newer computer just yet. I would like to make this g4 snappier and to my liking and after I accomplish this I will consider upgrading to a g5 or maybe even an older/newer iMac. any help/advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
