Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
The upgrade went very well. My machine came with Leopard on it,Leopard 10.5.7. I'm not sure how the original owner got that on. Eventually I may install 10.5.8 but only after I get a Leopard dvd and after some of the bugs have been ironed out of 10.5.8. I do know my quicksilver doesn't have it's original 40 gig hard drive but has 30 gig Quantom Fireball. Maybe that is how the owner installed Leopard. On Aug 9, 2009, at 3:18 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: On Monday, 3rd of August 2009, ll wrote: I have a Powermac Quick Silver 733 with a 30 gig hard drive and 1.3 gig ram. I just purchased a 933 processor for this on ebay for $40. How did the upgrade go? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
On Monday, 3rd of August 2009, ll wrote: I have a Powermac Quick Silver 733 with a 30 gig hard drive and 1.3 gig ram. I just purchased a 933 processor for this on ebay for $40. How did the upgrade go? BTW, I also have/had a QuickSilver 733 MHz, the 2001 model. I got it as a gift. I upgraded the RAM to its maximum of 1.5 GB for around €20,--. Running Mac OS X 10.4.11 Tiger was not much fun, the speed of the processor too slow for working smoothly. I then found a Dual 800 MHz processor card on eBay for $70,--, somewhere around €50,--. It arrived a few days ago and I installed it right away. The difference of 733 MHz to 800 MHz is marginal. But the second processor is really a booster! Mac OS X 10.4.11 feels much faster and more stable now. Only the graphics card remains the original GeForce 2 MX with only 32 MB of VRAM, which feels as the slowest part of it all. The hard disk is a 180 GB Western Digial, a few years old. BTW, the QuickSilver 2001 models can only access 128 GB due to LBA24 access although the IDE bridge chip, the KeyLargo, can use LBA48. To get past this fake limitation you can use this script: http://4thcode.blogspot.com/2007/12/using-128-gib-or-larger-ata-hard-drives.html You have to do this only once, and only have to set the Open Firmware property (described in the link above) again when you have reset your NVRAM. I'm just happy that my upgrade went so easy and it all works so well now. So - I was thinking about your upgrade. I'd be happy to hear from you. Cheers, Andreas aka Mac User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
On Tuesday, 4th of August 2009, Liam Proven wrote: 2009/8/4 mlitwin3797 mlitwin3...@att.net: This processor had three pieces to it,a vent looking thing,a processor board and one other.The ad said the Hs was included,whatever that is. H/S or HSF means heatsink and fan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_sink It's probably the vent-looking thing. :¬) The three peaces for the QuickSilver should be: * the processor daughter card (riser card, processor module) * the cooling fan and * the heatsink. For the cooling fan you should be able to use the one that is still in your QuickSilver. I think it is the same for all the processors. The processor daugther card and the heatsink are a unit when assembled, but the original apple processor cards are build so that you need to install the processor first, and then you are able to place the heatsink on it with the latches engaged. I recently put a OWC Mercury Extreme 1.4 GHz processor upgrade into my QS2001 and had to place it on the connectors three times until the QS would boot correctly. So it might be a fuzzy work to get it done correctly the first time, since with the original processor you always need to place the heatsink on when the processor is in already. You may try to * connect the processor daughter card with the mainboard * place the heatsink *without* thermal compound -- !!! dangerous !!! * place and connect the fan THEN try to start the Power Mac. Check if it starts up correctly like this: * you just need to see the Apple logo, in case your hard drive is connected and Mac OS X is installed (check first with your current CPU), or * by pressing Command-Option-O-F you can enter the Open Firmware command prompt Keep the Mac running only as long as you really need to in order to verify the CPU is installed correctly and thus it is working in correct order. Otherwise you may overheat the CPU -- permanent damage may occur and destroy the CPU!!! THEN you place the heatsink the correct way: * remove the heatsink again * put thermal compound on the CPUs (refer to the instructions from the thermal compound you have bought) * place the heat sink on it and make sure it is engaged correctly. YOU'RE DONE! As for the thermal compound: I use Arctic Silver III and its quite good, kept my CPUs in my MDD Dual-1GHz even cooler than the original compound from Apple. On the other hand the original compound was a few years old already, and the Arctic Silver III was new... You may choose any thermal compound, just make sure it is suitable for the aluminium heat sink of the QuickSilver. I hope that helped. Mac User #330250 alias Andreas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: As for the thermal compound: I use Arctic Silver III and its quite good, kept my CPUs in my MDD Dual-1GHz even cooler than the original compound from Apple. On the other hand the original compound was a few years old already, and the Arctic Silver III was new... You may choose any thermal compound, just make sure it is suitable for the aluminium heat sink of the QuickSilver. This recent article says that homemade diamond compound is 19 degrees Celsius (66 degrees Fahrenheit) cooler than Arctic Silver on a fully max'd out CPU: http://inventgeek.com/Projects/DiamondGrease/overview.aspx --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: The three peaces for the QuickSilver should be: * the processor daughter card (riser card, processor module) * the cooling fan and * the heatsink. For the cooling fan you should be able to use the one that is still in your QuickSilver. I think it is the same for all the processors. This is true ... the Quicksilver fan units are all the same. This was not true of the Digital Audios, for example, as each processor type required its own fan module type. The processor daugther card and the heatsink are a unit when assembled, but the original apple processor cards are build so that you need to install the processor first, and then you are able to place the heatsink on it with the latches engaged. In a Quicksilver, as in a Digital Audio, the heatsink must meet several requirements: 1) the heat transfer pad must be directly above the processor die or dies, and 2) the cooling fins must accommodate the VRM (voltage regulator module) choke coil, and any other components which are above the seating plane of the processor. This means that a DA or QS processor should never be bought (nor sold) without the heatsink with which it originally came. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
I just received the processor board,a small fan and a rectangular thing with ridges that I am assuming is the heat sink. These were all taken out of the same machine by the seller . Thank you for the other instructions.Now all I have to do is call the guy who will do the upgrade. - Original Message - From: PeterH peterh5...@rattlebrain.com To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:40 PM Subject: Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733 On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:23 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote: The three peaces for the QuickSilver should be: * the processor daughter card (riser card, processor module) * the cooling fan and * the heatsink. For the cooling fan you should be able to use the one that is still in your QuickSilver. I think it is the same for all the processors. This is true ... the Quicksilver fan units are all the same. This was not true of the Digital Audios, for example, as each processor type required its own fan module type. The processor daugther card and the heatsink are a unit when assembled, but the original apple processor cards are build so that you need to install the processor first, and then you are able to place the heatsink on it with the latches engaged. In a Quicksilver, as in a Digital Audio, the heatsink must meet several requirements: 1) the heat transfer pad must be directly above the processor die or dies, and 2) the cooling fins must accommodate the VRM (voltage regulator module) choke coil, and any other components which are above the seating plane of the processor. This means that a DA or QS processor should never be bought (nor sold) without the heatsink with which it originally came. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
Thanks for the article. The metal thing with ridges I received is definitely a heat sink. - Original Message - From: Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:23 PM Subject: Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733 On Tuesday, 4th of August 2009, Liam Proven wrote: 2009/8/4 mlitwin3797 mlitwin3...@att.net: This processor had three pieces to it,a vent looking thing,a processor board and one other.The ad said the Hs was included,whatever that is. H/S or HSF means heatsink and fan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_sink It's probably the vent-looking thing. :¬) The three peaces for the QuickSilver should be: * the processor daughter card (riser card, processor module) * the cooling fan and * the heatsink. For the cooling fan you should be able to use the one that is still in your QuickSilver. I think it is the same for all the processors. The processor daugther card and the heatsink are a unit when assembled, but the original apple processor cards are build so that you need to install the processor first, and then you are able to place the heatsink on it with the latches engaged. I recently put a OWC Mercury Extreme 1.4 GHz processor upgrade into my QS2001 and had to place it on the connectors three times until the QS would boot correctly. So it might be a fuzzy work to get it done correctly the first time, since with the original processor you always need to place the heatsink on when the processor is in already. You may try to * connect the processor daughter card with the mainboard * place the heatsink *without* thermal compound -- !!! dangerous !!! * place and connect the fan THEN try to start the Power Mac. Check if it starts up correctly like this: * you just need to see the Apple logo, in case your hard drive is connected and Mac OS X is installed (check first with your current CPU), or * by pressing Command-Option-O-F you can enter the Open Firmware command prompt Keep the Mac running only as long as you really need to in order to verify the CPU is installed correctly and thus it is working in correct order. Otherwise you may overheat the CPU -- permanent damage may occur and destroy the CPU!!! THEN you place the heatsink the correct way: * remove the heatsink again * put thermal compound on the CPUs (refer to the instructions from the thermal compound you have bought) * place the heat sink on it and make sure it is engaged correctly. YOU'RE DONE! As for the thermal compound: I use Arctic Silver III and its quite good, kept my CPUs in my MDD Dual-1GHz even cooler than the original compound from Apple. On the other hand the original compound was a few years old already, and the Arctic Silver III was new... You may choose any thermal compound, just make sure it is suitable for the aluminium heat sink of the QuickSilver. I hope that helped. Mac User #330250 alias Andreas --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
On Aug 3, 4:42 pm, ll mlitwin3...@att.net wrote: I would like to get at least a 60 hd or 80 if the machine will take it and costs will allow.I understand I will have to purchase the os before I finish the upgrade.It will take a while to get this for a reasonable price.I have leopard 10.7 on the machine.It came with that. You do not need to buy the black Leopard DVD for what you want to do right now. But you need it for two reasons, to install a fresh copy if you run into problems later and to have a legal license of the machine. Do I need to get the os dvds before I have the 933 processor put in?If I have the 933 processor put in,will it be easier to fool the machine to reinstall leopard when I increase the hard drive? With the faster processor, you do not need to fool the machine. The DVD will work fine. Al Poulin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
This processor had three pieces to it,a vent looking thing,a processor board and one other.The ad said the Hs was included,whatever that is.I am hoping the thermal processor is one of the three items.I felt the price was reasonable so I took a chance.The parts had just been taken out of a Quicksilver 933 and were used.I can see I am going to have to learn more about this machine on the the internet. She came with Leopard. If I don't update the hard drive right now,I can wait to get a decent price on Leopard ppc.Ebay auctions always end up from $80 and up.I have a horror of paying too much for a program. I even just preordered Windows 7 for half price for my other omputer. - Original Message - From: Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:02 PM Subject: Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733 Hello and welcome to this group! You can replace the processor independently from whatever you wish to do with the hard drive. If you have Mac OS X installed already, just replace the processor first and see what you get. Get a fresh thermal compound so the processor won't overheat. Upgrading the hard drive is okay but might not be necessary at all. It depends if you need more space -- Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard requires a more than Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger needed. If you go for a new hard drive, just buy any standard IDE hard disk, also known as PATA (parallel ATA). To install a fresh Mac OS X you will then require a Mac OS X installation CD set or a DVD. I recommend a brand new hard disk, as you never know what happend to a used disk and a drive failure can happen at any time but is more likely if a drive is older. I think with the QuickSilver came either Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar or 10.3 Panther -- I assume it was the first. Purchasing a copy of Tiger or Leopard will be a good choice, but bare in mind that support for Tiger is beeing dropped this year, and Leopard is then the only supported Mac OS that still runs on PowerPC based Macs. Hope that helped, Andreas alias Mac User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
2009/8/4 mlitwin3797 mlitwin3...@att.net: This processor had three pieces to it,a vent looking thing,a processor board and one other.The ad said the Hs was included,whatever that is. H/S or HSF means heatsink and fan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_sink It's probably the vent-looking thing. :¬) -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
I have a Powermac Quick Silver 733 with a 30 gig hard drive and 1.3 gig ram. I just purchased a 933 processor for this on ebay for $40. I want to replace the hard drive but am having problems finding one on the internet.I have been using hard drive for quick silver with no luck. I would like to get at least a 60 hd or 80 if the machine will take it and costs will allow.I understand I will have to purchase the os before I finish the upgrade.It will take a while to get this for a reasonable price.I have leopard 10.7 on the machine.It came with that. I hope this is the right group. Two groups have told me I have contacted the wrong one. This machine is a G4 of course. Do I need to get the os dvds before I have the 933 processor put in?If I have the 933 processor put in,will it be easier to fool the machine to reinstall leopard when I increase the hard drive? The installed hard drive is a Quantum Fireball and not the original for the computer. Someone has suggested correctly that,the upgrades I propose will make the computer close to to a Mac mini in cost. That may be true but I don't want a Mac Mini with Intel. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
Hello and welcome to this group! You can replace the processor independently from whatever you wish to do with the hard drive. If you have Mac OS X installed already, just replace the processor first and see what you get. Get a fresh thermal compound so the processor won't overheat. Upgrading the hard drive is okay but might not be necessary at all. It depends if you need more space -- Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard requires a more than Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger needed. If you go for a new hard drive, just buy any standard IDE hard disk, also known as PATA (parallel ATA). To install a fresh Mac OS X you will then require a Mac OS X installation CD set or a DVD. I recommend a brand new hard disk, as you never know what happend to a used disk and a drive failure can happen at any time but is more likely if a drive is older. I think with the QuickSilver came either Mac OS X 10.2 Jaguar or 10.3 Panther -- I assume it was the first. Purchasing a copy of Tiger or Leopard will be a good choice, but bare in mind that support for Tiger is beeing dropped this year, and Leopard is then the only supported Mac OS that still runs on PowerPC based Macs. Hope that helped, Andreas alias Mac User #330250 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: help in upgrading powermac quick silver 733
2009/8/3 ll mlitwin3...@att.net: I have a Powermac Quick Silver 733 with a 30 gig hard drive and 1.3 gig ram. I just purchased a 933 processor for this on ebay for $40. I want to replace the hard drive but am having problems finding one on the internet.I have been using hard drive for quick silver with no luck. I would like to get at least a 60 hd or 80 if the machine will take it and costs will allow.I understand I will have to purchase the os before I finish the upgrade.It will take a while to get this for a reasonable price.I have leopard 10.7 on the machine.It came with that. I hope this is the right group. Two groups have told me I have contacted the wrong one. This machine is a G4 of course. Do I need to get the os dvds before I have the 933 processor put in?If I have the 933 processor put in,will it be easier to fool the machine to reinstall leopard when I increase the hard drive? The installed hard drive is a Quantum Fireball and not the original for the computer. Someone has suggested correctly that,the upgrades I propose will make the computer close to to a Mac mini in cost. That may be true but I don't want a Mac Mini with Intel. What Andreas said! Yes, this is a good place. No, you don't particularly need to reinstall the OS before or after changing the CPU. If you copy the contents of the old HD onto the new one, you don't even need to do it then. Disk Utility has a restore function that will duplicate a whole volume in one operation for you, or you can use the free Carbon Copy Cloner. A Quicksilver should be fine with any EIDE disk up to 120GB. Above 128GB, it might work, it might not. You can try it and see - you will not harm either computer or drive if it doesn't work, the Mac just might not see all the capacity of the drive. You can get new 120GB EIDE 3.5 drives here in the UK for around £30. That's under US$50. Personally, I have tried 10.5 on a G5 and found it a bit slow and unresponsive. I suspect 10.4 will be faster, but soon that goes out of support. This may be a problem for you, or it may not. You can still use newer apps on 10.4 for now - the latest versions of iTunes, Quicktime, Safari and so on from Apple all work on 10.4 as far as I know. So does Firefox 3.5 and other new browsers and apps. In a year or 2, though, it will probably start to get hard to find apps. I understand preferring a proper PowerMac to a MacIntel, but it must be said - the Intel machines are /much/ faster, especially if you have native apps. I almost never use any Classic apps any longer, and of course, with 10.5, you can't anyway. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
