Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:20 AM, yawg wrote: Hi Clark, Much of the files and folders used in booting and running the OS need to have Root as the owner. Simply changing permissions to a user account isn't going to work. You really need to recreate the clone with permissions not ignored. I didn't change a thing. I always cloned system vols to my FW-disks and never had an issue. What might have changed, recently, is the way CCC, newest version (3.4.2), approaches Permissions ... resulting in a different clone than before, if Ignore Permissions is checked ... I would make another clone, with Ignore Permissions unchecked, and see if it is bootable. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
Hi Clark, Much of the files and folders used in booting and running the OS need to have Root as the owner. Simply changing permissions to a user account isn't going to work. You really need to recreate the clone with permissions not ignored. I didn't change a thing. I always cloned system vols to my FW-disks and never had an issue. Yesterday I repaired permissions on a new clone with a Panther system, lots of permissions were repaired but still no boot. Any chance how I can fix the firmware on my Initio controllers? TIA. Anyway, the Oxford-enclosure boots with any system, Panther or Tiger, permissions ignored or not ... Regards, Jörg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 1, 2008, at 12:53 AM, Dan wrote: In the past I've had no problem making a bootable backup via firewire with Carbon Copy Cloner. Now that I'm using a USB connected external HD, it doesn't show up when I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences. Is there no way I can boot into a USB external drive? Make sure you've initialized/partitioned the drive properly. Intel-based Macs require GUID, not Apple Partition Map. The latter is the default in Disk Utility. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an APM formatted XHD will it be bootable??? Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
At 3:57 PM -0500 12/2/2008, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 but it only works on some models. So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an APM formatted XHD will it be bootable??? No. The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac is NOT universal, and vise versa. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
Hi guys, It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 but it only works on some models. So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an APM formatted XHD will it be bootable??? No. The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac is NOT universal, and vise versa. As I mentioned earlier I'm talking Panther and Tiger on the latest MDD G4. New CCC in my case means version 3.1.2. Thanks anyway but I'm still w/o a clue ... Regards, Jörg. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 2, 2008, at 4:50 PM, Dan wrote: At 3:57 PM -0500 12/2/2008, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: It seems apple may be saying an APM formatted disk will work on a Intell based Mac. Article HT2595 refers. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 but it only works on some models. So now I am wondering if I make a Universal drive and clone it to an APM formatted XHD will it be bootable??? No. The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac is NOT universal, and vise versa. Interesting I just assumed Universal meant just that and charged head long into the windmill. I followed the article using a PowerBook G4/1.67 and installed 10.4 and 10.5 with updates on separate FW XHDs. Both have booted up Intel based MBPs and MBs as well as PPC DTs and PBs. Have yet to try it on a MP of any generation. Curious what machines can't be booted from this articles procedure? Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:05 PM, PeterH wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:35 PM, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: No. The version of OS X that gets installed on the powerpc-based Mac is NOT universal, and vise versa. Interesting I just assumed Universal meant just that and charged head long into the windmill. I followed the article using a PowerBook G4/1.67 and installed 10.4 and 10.5 with updates on separate FW XHDs. Both have booted up Intel based MBPs and MBs as well as PPC DTs and PBs. Have yet to try it on a MP of any generation. Curious what machines can't be booted from this articles procedure? The /System/Library/Extensions folder of 10.5.5 which was installed on a PPC Mac has THE VERY SAME CONTENTS as the same folder on an Intel. Now, the PPC boot disk must be APM (Apple Partition Map), whereas the Intel must be GPT (APM is OK for data-only devices on an Intel Mac) [ * ] . Peter, I followed this: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2595 . Which says in part: On a Mac OS X 10.5-compatible PowerPC-based Mac, make sure the external hard disk has a Partition Map Scheme of Apple Partition Map (APM). Once installation is complete, you will have an external hard disk that can start up (boot) both PowerPC-based Macs (that are Mac OS X 10.5-compatible) and Intel-based Macs that were available when Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 was released. DU clearly states which format to use when and for what and adhere to this when installing to an IHD. Followed the article for an XHD and it works. Boot up supported even before appropriate flavor of updates. Any theories? Deaner --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 2, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Deaner Lawless Jr. wrote: DU clearly states which format to use when and for what and adhere to this when installing to an IHD. Followed the article for an XHD and it works. Boot up supported even before appropriate flavor of updates. Any theories? My guess is that certain models have code in their boot ROMs which can accept otherwise foreign disk formats. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
When using CCC 3.4.2, if the partition with the OS on it, has Ignore Permissions checked, CCC WILL IGNORE permissions, and the resulting clone will not be bootable. I believe you either have to uncheck Isnore Permissions, and make another clone, or do a Repair Permissions on the clone. On Dec 1, 7:09 am, yawg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I checked permissions on those disks, they were set to ignore permissions and even when I changed them to my admin account they refuse to boot. When using CCC 3.4.2, if the partition with the OS on it, has Ignore Permissions checked, CCC will IGNORE permissions, not copy them, and the resulting clone will not be bootable. I believe you either have to uncheck Ignore Permissions, and make another clone, or do a Repair Permissions on the clone. This is new with CCC 3.4.2. This might be a place to start, and then see if the 911 and non-911 Oxford externals will boot. Make sure the clone is bootable before focusing on the external's bridge. FW vrs USB is another topic as well. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:55 PM, yawg wrote: As I said I changed permissions to my own admin account so Ignore Permissions was overwritten. I said also that both Initio FW-drives don't boot no matter what version of CCC, I use both the old and the new one as I can only use the old version when I'm running Panther. In Tiger I use the new version. If the Permissions are good, and the HD was initialized to the correct format for your Mac model, meaning Apple Partition Format for PPC Macs, and GUID Partition Format for Intel Macs, and you've made certain the System is blessed, and it still won't boot, perhaps it's a firmware issue with the enclosure. The Initio 1430 2430 chipsets do have some firmware updates to correct issues with Macs. You might check just to be sure. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
yawg wrote: Hi billycar, I checked permissions on those disks, they were set to ignore permissions and even when I changed them to my admin account they refuse to boot. When using CCC 3.4.2, if the partition with the OS on it, has Ignore Permissions checked, CCC will IGNORE permissions, not copy them, and the resulting clone will not be bootable. As I said I changed permissions to my own admin account so Ignore Permissions was overwritten. I said also that both Initio FW-drives don't boot no matter what version of CCC, I use both the old and the new one as I can only use the old version when I'm running Panther. In Tiger I use the new version. Much of the files and folders used in booting and running the OS need to have Root as the owner. Simply changing permissions to a user account isn't going to work. You really need to recreate the clone with permissions not ignored. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
At 7:58 PM -0600 11/30/2008, George Hozendorf wrote: Mac Mini 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, OS X 10.5.5 In the past I've had no problem making a bootable backup via firewire with Carbon Copy Cloner. Now that I'm using a USB connected external HD, it doesn't show up when I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences. Is there no way I can boot into a USB external drive? Make sure you've initialized/partitioned the drive properly. Intel-based Macs require GUID, not Apple Partition Map. The latter is the default in Disk Utility. - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: CCC Bootable Backup
On Nov 30, 2008, at 7:58 PM, George Hozendorf wrote: In the past I've had no problem making a bootable backup via firewire with Carbon Copy Cloner. Now that I'm using a USB connected external HD, it doesn't show up when I go to Startup Disk in System Preferences. Is there no way I can boot into a USB external drive? As Dan has pointed out, the HD needs to be formated as GUID Partition Scheme in Disk Utility in order to boot an Intel Mac. All OEM USB HDs are formated as Master Boot Record initially, which is unbootable on any Mac except a hackintosh PC. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
