Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
On 03/10/08 7:20 AM, Simon Royal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi I have had a number of iMac G3s and these smell terrible of burning. I changed the plastics on one recently and whilst testing it afterward smelt so bad of burning plastic I thought I had done something wrong. But my sons iMac G3 smells just as bad. On the other hand my BW, after all these years, has never given off any odour. My PM G5 tower and my wife's Macbook Pro emit no scent at all. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
Hi I have had a number of iMac G3s and these smell terrible of burning. I changed the plastics on one recently and whilst testing it afterward smelt so bad of burning plastic I thought I had done something wrong. But my sons iMac G3 smells just as bad. Simon --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears From: Arnel Tuazon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03/10/2008 11:19 Actually come to think of it (or smell of it) my wife's old G3 iBook started to smell like B.O. after it was serviced for a new hard drive. That was about 2 years ago and it still stinks when you boot it up. I'm thinking it's the hard drive because the logic board was replaced twice from two different service centers and the stink is still there. Kinda like the episode of Seinfeld when Jerry's car started to smell bad after the valet drove it. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
At 10:04 PM -0400 10/1/2008, Steve R wrote: http://tinyurl.com/protoxic ROTTEN SMELL RAISES APPLE TOXIN FEARS yum. benzene! This adds a whole new level to the 'ole phrase pry it from my cold dead hands. - Dan. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
On Oct 2, 2008, at 8:13 AM, Dan wrote: At 10:04 PM -0400 10/1/2008, Steve R wrote: http://tinyurl.com/protoxic ROTTEN SMELL RAISES APPLE TOXIN FEARS yum. benzene! This adds a whole new level to the 'ole phrase pry it from my cold dead hands. Note: a single anonymous person who submitted his MacBook for testing, and no test results in the original article, although you HAVE to love the Googlefishing of the first sentence: Some models of Apple computers emit toxic fumes and the giant apple does pipe word. I'd wait until we had a larger sample size before declaring all our macs a Superfund site...mail 'em to me...I'll take care of remediation! :- I'm an ex lab rat, and I know very well what benzene smells like, and that 'new mac smell' isn't benzene, and none of the folks with new Macbooks or MacBook pros have mentioned any smell. In fact electronics manufacturers have largely moved beyond solvent- based cleaning to water-based cleaning methods during manufacture, because it eliminated the use of toxic chemicals like TCE, benzene and carbon tetrachloride. I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm saying wait for more evidence. It could be a bad batch of Macs, like the yellowing case plastics on some early MacBooks. What I'm more worried about are the reports of sweaty stinky MacBooks. I can't wait until the one my Mom bought (on my recommendation :-) starts smelling like old gym socks. Sorry mom, it's not me...it's the computer... OT: Could be worse. I had a friend who worked as a research chemist for General Foods way back in the day. He was working on flavorants for dog foods, and came up with a compound everyone called Sweaty Chicken. I worked there briefly, years after he had left, and mentioned his name. No one remembered him. Then I mentioned 'Sweaty Chicken' OH!!! Sweaty Chicken Guy! That lab smelled like that for years! -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
My G5/1.8mHz stinks. I bought it used. The first thing I noticed when I turned it on was the smell. I blamed it on that electronic smell. If I leave it running overnight, my neighbour who comes over for coffee every morning will ask me what smells. When I leave it turned off overnight, he asks me if I found what the stink was. The other night my neighbour who is primarily a Windows guy turned on his iMac he bought new, and hasn't really had on for more than an hour or so at a time in the year he bought it. This time he had it on for +24 hours and called me to come up to help him find the weird smell coming from his Mac desk set up. Did I think it was the iMac, the external drive... he didn't know and wanted a fresh nose. shrug Finding the article two days later, and posting it here might have other Mac users being conscious of any weird smells they haven't been able to track down, and running their own un-scientific testing. Or not. Gawdferbid we should accept anecdotal findings as being anything that makes Apple less god-like ;-) Steve R munching on Chinese chocolate -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:20 AM, Steve R wrote: Gawdferbid we should accept anecdotal findings as being anything that makes Apple less god-like ;-) The plural of anecdote is not data. I have no doubt that some electronic devices smell really bad when they're first turned on and warm up; I've had a few myself. My issue is with the 'OMYGODOHONESI'MGOINGTODIEEE11!!' sensationalism of the reporting. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
At 2:55 PM -0400 10/2/2008, insightinmind wrote: Different kind of heating up ... that smells, too ... IMHO. You put oatmeal where? - Dan. -- - Psychoceramic Emeritus; South Jersey, USA, Earth --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Rotten smell raises Apple toxin fears
http://tinyurl.com/protoxic ROTTEN SMELL RAISES APPLE TOXIN FEARS Toxic ... Apple's Mac Pro. Asher Moses October 2, 2008 Apple is investigating damning claims, published in a leading French newspaper, that its computers emit a toxic odor containing chemicals including the cancer-causing benzene. Liberation cited an anonymous researcher from the French National Centre for Scientific Research, who had his Mac Pro desktop tested for the toxins after he detected a strong odour emanating from the machine. Apple has not denied the accusations. Its spokesman, Bill Evans, told Macworld the company had not found any evidence to support the claim but Apple would continue to investigate. Posts on Apple's own discussion boards suggest the Mac maker knew about potentially toxic odors being linked to its computers as early as December last year. While benzene was not mentioned in the posts, many users complained of experiencing headaches, nausea and dizziness. The smell has been variously described as new car smell, musty, rotting carpet and even cannabis. My entire room smells bad and I have had to resort to a few air fresheners just to be able to work on it, one report read. Another user on Apple's discussion board linked the toxic odor to the death of their bird: I recently have had a bird die 'mysteriously' which was caged near my MacPro which has had the terrible smell for months. The vet said it was likely he inhaled something toxic!!! In Liberation's article, written in French, the researcher said his eyes, nose and throat became irritated after 10 days of using the computer. The computer emitted fumes which, after a week of use, caused a pronounced irritation of the cornea and respiratory passages, he said. Apple changed the researcher's power supply before replacing the entire computer but the strange smell remained. He then contacted Greenpeace, which sent the computer to the Analytica lab for analysis. Seven volatile organic contaminants were identified, including styrene, benzene and its derivatives. Benzene, a known carcinogen, damages bone marrow and can cause a decrease in red blood cells, leading to leukemia and other blood cancers. It can be found in tobacco smoke, plastics, styrene and products such as glues, paints and detergents. But the chemical's presence in consumer products such as computers has dropped sharply as its severe health consequences have come to light. Although officially Apple says it has found no evidence of the toxins, its customer support staff have allegedly told some callers that the company was aware of the problem, which concerned Mac Pro computers built before this year. Liberation, which has a daily circulation of about 130,000 copies, reported Apple France as saying its engineers were working on the problem. Apple's public relations team is notorious for refusing to acknowledge reported faults in its products. But some users on the company's discussion boards have come up with their own solution. Some reports say the smell - apparently caused by a protective resin coating on some of the circuit boards - disappears after an initial burn-in period. Others have fixed the problem by removing small plastic strips from the side door of the computer case. -- Reopen NAFTA. Reclaim our sovereignty. http://www.straightgoods.ca/ViewFeature8.cfm?REF=333 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
