i don't blame you one bit, when you see what's taking place with your hard
work, when people could just get it off some website.
it's like you doing something and putting your best stuff into it, and
getting to find out some one is making money off your produce.
that could be a pain. it's the sam
yeah I know.
The only command they know is to quit, or even uninstall and thats it.
At 05:35 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote:
>All the sighted people I know that have used at one time my computer find it
>absolutely without question to be annoying.
>
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>From: "Davy Kager" <
probably in time.
However there is the copywrites for the actual console companies, I don't know
how that works.
At 03:31 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote:
>would it be possible for blind developers to develop blind friendly games
>for the different video game consoles out there? That would be cool if
thats the reason the project started josh.
At 01:45 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote:
>I hope NVDA becomes as good as jaws or window-eyes someday.
>
>Josh
>
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>From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 AM
>Subject: Re:
yeah I know.
I wander apart from making opensource readers if there is anyway to get prices
to go down on software.
Its rather hefty and although I do aggree that its vary specialised and high
quality its to expencive for a load of us to get without funding.
Even the upgrades cost a load.
At 12:2
yeah, all software in general is expensive all the popular ones I think.
Yeah we should get back to gaming.
At 02:30 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote:
>I agree that a lot of Access Technology is real expensive. However, what we
>here at Gw Micro have done to try and help the end user is come up with a
well thats what is happening with nvda although its slow.
I am confordent we will get there.
However we are not thee yet.
There firstly is this thing about vertual buffers and other tech things that
need to be done outside the project.
Then there is the video hook thing.
We have decided to not use
Hi Dark,
Yeah, for the blind gamer my feeling was it didn't feel natural.
Probably do to the lack of experience and exposure to the device. Once I
got use to using it some I can see somewhat why our sighted counterparts
go crazy without one.
They are small and handy, but I wouldn't want to use i
The wonder is how different is the programming language for each of those?
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From: "Bryan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Wii for the blind
Hmmm. So if you learned the programmi
Hmmm. So if you learned the programming language for, say, the Game Cube and
what al would be needed to be done, you could actually develop audio games
for that console. Never thought of that.
Bryan and Jennie, the Engaged Audio Gamers.
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From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, actually they encourage development of games, as it sells more units
of their hardware.
I'm just not sure at this stage what all is involved in doing so.
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From: "Bryan Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 5:
I'd be concerned about the legality of doing something like that. Knowing
these big coporations they might have a heart attack if some smalltime
company stars developing titles for their console. Then again since it's not
likely they'll make the effort themselves without serious cash and
statis
I agree. There's a kid on AudioGames.net who's asked several people to send
him unlock codes for Pinball Xtreme and SOD, then gotten upset when they
refused to do so. I hear these excuses about not having a credit card or a
paypal account. I'm sorry, but get one or be real nice to a friend or fa
how many sited people do any of you know of who use jaws?
On 5/23/07, Che <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one should buy the game is
> no justification for ripping off a developers hard earned code.
> I would much appreciate a list of these sites you
It'd be impossible to wipe the memory of a console, I'm sure they have
protection against that. And there's absolutely no way Linux would work on a
ps2, maybe, just maybe on something like a ps3, but it'd be impossible on
anything earlier I'm sure, simply because it wouldn't be the same. The
ha
It may be appealing as a demo, but a sighted person would never toss up
500-800 bucks out of sheer curiosity, unless they had a whole lot of cash to
throw around. From experience, most sighted people, when they get curious
about jaws, work from the demo version.
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Fro
Ah, my apologies. Yes, it does look like we strayed a good bit here.
Anyhow, if anyone comes across a site hosting this stuff, please email me
off list and let me know. I don't mind spending the time getting in touch
with the owners and asking them to reconsider what they are doing.
Later
Just my thought, but screen reader piracy isn't on topic for the list.
Games are, so that part of the discussion would be OK.
--
If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
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From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, Ma
Wow, I've been rather productive today! Don't know how many messages I sent,
but it's quite a few. Anyway, this just popped up in my mind. I think the
main problem is the instant messaging sharing. I mean people who own cracked
software and share them with friends, and those friends will certain
Che. I'm all for discussing anything game related, even if it's what to do
about piracy. What I was referring to was the subject getting off topic when
it comes to screen readers, how to get rehab to purchase them for you, and
things, not game related.
I wish I had an answer on what to do to he
No need to wipe the memory, as we can program games for the Wii directly
and take advantage of the Wii's unique features.
I am doing some research into this, but at this point I'm not sure how
complicated this would be.
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From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Game
Hi, regarding being on topic, I think this this is absolutely on topic.
If we don't do something about the rampant piracy of accessible games out
there, we are going to have a harder and harder time convincing developers
to spend the time to develop quality games, and I am one of those develo
all these sites have gone down.
All of them are no more.
The latest site I am on is all audio, old records and things.
no games though.
To be fair most sites I have been on are not full of cracked things.
At 12:22 a.m. 24/05/2007, you wrote:
> Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one sho
The problem is the pirate, regardless of the reason why he or she does it,
or how often, or where he or she lives. The problem is the thief, and that
is what a pirate is. Period.
--
If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
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From: "shaun everiss" <[E
Ok guys, now for the new bug I have came across while fighting the urchin
lord. When reaching the teleporter I saved my game so that if I die on the
urchin lord battle I can just start self destruct again and load my game on
that point where I'm in the teleporter room.
I've always been able to e
Playing with words is a distinctly human activity. It lets us learn
while having fun, and is a humbler and more approachable way to be
creative than writing
the Great American Novel. We make new sense or nonsense by playing with
the basic elements of our language - noticing similarities between
dif
It's definitely government-linked, but it's like an insurance system here.
Or not really, but I can't find the appropriate word. They'll sometimes
decide what you're going to get, but not always. For instance, I can chose a
new braille line and almost every reasonable 40-cells model will be exce
Well, I don't know. It's been posted on usenet quite a few times anyway.
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From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
why is jfw appealing for sighte
why is jfw appealing for sighted.
At 10:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote:
>JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why you
>can get a crack for it.
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>From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Gamers Discussion list"
>Sent: Wednesday, May 23,
hay I just wandered why not put game company conercials in the game.
At 09:49 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote:
>Hi Willem,
>
>I was hoping to add some new commercials to the baseball game. However the
>USB TV tuner that I bought has been nothing but a pain and still does not
>work. I am though addin
thats human nature.
To be fare I think the general consumer pirate is not a problem, its the people
in china selling products for a buck cracked in my opinion that are the biggest
bad guys.
Not even I would go that low.
One must draw the line somewhere.
There is a difference betwene bending some
Folks. Please, let's close the thread. Many thanks.
--
Raul A. Gallegos | http://www.asmodean.net
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From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> w
mail me privately offlist about this.
I'd like to know how this works.
The way I have to get software that you need to buy other than downloading it,
is quite dificult.
I need to go through a funding agency linked to the government.
I have a yearly limit of 5000 and a student limit of 15000.
I pla
and if NVDA would become as powerful as jaws or window-eyes then freedom
scientif c would have some serious competition.
Josh
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From: "shaun everiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy
All the sighted people I know that have used at one time my computer find it
absolutely without question to be annoying.
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From: "Davy Kager" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Josh" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
; "Gamers Discussion list"
<
gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23
I wouldn't blame you but yeah I get reminded about prices of products almost
every day.
Thats one reason why I have not upgraded and one reason why I am happy that
some of my stuff was funded I could never pay for it.
Another thing is office, my brother uses it, my dad just couldn't justify the
I understand, thats why nvda exists.
I have seen pirated coppys of such things as screenreaders but have refused the
temptation.
I won't argue I have felt the urge.
This is probably one reason why the opensource industry started.
No copywrite or vary little.
Its a comunity copywrite really.
And mo
All the sighted people I know that have used at one time my computer find it
absolutely without question to be annoying.
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From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:18 AM
Subject:
would it be possible for blind developers to develop blind friendly games
for the different video game consoles out there? That would be cool if you
could wipe the console's memory, put linux on it, and then blind developers
could make the console completely accessible and write blind friendly g
I agree that a lot of Access Technology is real expensive. However, what we
here at Gw Micro have done to try and help the end user is come up with a
payment plan. This is good for someone who wants to purchase Window-Eyes
with their own money and cannot afford the total cost up front. Liam has
Because of the speech abilities I suppose. That's at least what I read on
the Web a while ago.
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From: "Josh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
how and why is j
I hope NVDA becomes as good as jaws or window-eyes someday.
Josh
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From: "Che" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> I agree that some accessible software is ve
how and why is jfw appealing for sighted people? I thought that jfw was for
blind people.
Josh
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From: "Davy Kager" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
> JFW is
maybe what should happen is programmers should get together and using python
enhance NVDA and make it just as good as jaws and window-eyes. There would
be some real competition there if freedom scientific and gw-micro would have
to contend with a free and open source screen that is just as power
Hi all,
I was wondering if other gamers out there with Wii systems have managed to
memorize the menu system, and if so if you had any tips or shortcuts to
doing it.
I can get the sports games to work ok, but getting to the actual game is a
total pain. The pointer is very sensitive, so you
Hi,
I've always been interested in the following, and especially at the moment
since this discussion popped up. I'm wondering how many copies of a game the
developers aproximately sold/sell. I absolutely don't want exact amounts,
just whether I have to think about 10-25 copies or 50-100 or even
Putting a line in a doc somewhere stating that one should buy the game is
no justification for ripping off a developers hard earned code.
I would much appreciate a list of these sites you refer to, you have my
address.
Thanks,
Che
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From: "shaun everiss" <[EMA
I agree that some accessible software is very expensive, but you have to
consider the market this software is selling to and the complexity of the
software itself.
If Windows XP were only sold to the blind for example, it would cost
several thousand dollars and frankly it would never happen
Well,
Necessary blindy software is not expensive. Or in fact it is, but you'll get
the money back from your insurance company because you really need it. This
includes screenreaders and speech synths, but the same goes for software
like OmniPage Pro (OCR).
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From: "Ta
JFW is also rather appealing for sighted people, that's one reason why you
can get a crack for it.
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From: "Talksina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gamers Discussion list"
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Piracy of accessible software
Liam:
Hi Willem,
I was hoping to add some new commercials to the baseball game. However the USB
TV tuner that I bought has been nothing but a pain and still does not work. I
am though adding the names of batters and starting pitchers all in editable
text files. Also adding volume adjustability.
I
Liam: of course I do not blame you, but, I think these big companies
(freedom scientific and so on), with their policies are just looking
for people to crack
The more the protection and policy is hard, the more people try to
get away with it.
___
Ga
it's all about economics.
these companys like gw micro and fredom scientific have to charge a lot of
money to pay their bills. realize they pay tech support people, sales
people, programmers, as well as everyone else who works there. they have to
pay for a ton of other things, so it's no surpr
well,
not to open a flame about this, but, talking about other
blind-related software, they are really really really too expensive!
I do not talk about games, that cost maximum 40 euro. And, that, for
example, a user wanting to play a game, can use his/her money to buy
the game, instead of... bu
On a load of book sites I am on there is a load of cracked software.
However in most of the sighted software thats been cracked there is this piece
in the docs saying that if you like the software you should buy it.
You take the good with the bad.
At 05:31 p.m. 23/05/2007, you wrote:
> Hi all,
>
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