Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread shaun everiss
hmmm to be honest daniel, you should stay with 8 if you have it. Good news is if you buy a coppy of windows 7 right now you can still legally get it but you need to do it this year. If your laptop has windows 7 drivers on its website then you should be sweet as far as win7 goes. however after

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread shaun everiss
I agree, its graphics this and that. you do have to read up on it for access to work. Fortunately once you read the guidelines you usually don't need that much. 'At 08:22 p.m. 9/09/2014, you wrote: Hi Jody, Honestly, the answer to both of your questions is simple ignorance on the part of the

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread shaun everiss
Well it depends tom on what the system is and what it is. Generally at least with what I know, dells, toshibas and asus at any rate use almost the same hardware. Amd display and hd audio amd driver detect should help you there. the processer and a few other things are intel intel driver update

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread shaun everiss
what was the new coke disaster. Yes I know we are going off topic but I never heard of this. At 01:55 a.m. 10/09/2014, you wrote: Hi Charles, Yes, I do. The New Coke fiasco is infamous, and was probably one of the worst blunders in modern business history. Even so I am not sure that Microsoft

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread shaun everiss
I should also add that if your hard drive is more than 2tb you will want to keep gpt I think windows 7 does support this now if you have a full sp1 version at least mine does. At 07:31 p.m. 9/09/2014, you wrote: Danielle, It is possible to install Windows 7 on a machine that came with 8

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread Josh
I bet you could still buy it on ebay or find it somewhere. signature not available. shaun everiss wrote: hmmm to be honest daniel, you should stay with 8 if you have it. Good news is if you buy a coppy of windows 7 right now you can still legally get it but you need to do it this year. If

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread Jody McKinniss
: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:01 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games I agree, its graphics this and that. you do have to read up on it for access to work. Fortunately once you read the guidelines you usually

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread Dennis Towne
It's a lot more complicated than that, Jody. 1) You have to know that accessibility is a problem in order to search for it (most developers don't.) 2) You have to think that it's worth doing (most developers don't.) 3) You have to spend the time rearchitecting your software (most developers

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread Jody McKinniss
, then obviously we'd also be helping with testing, etc., wouldn't we? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Towne Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread Dennis Towne
Jody, I'd like to address just one point in particular: On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Jody McKinniss jlove42...@gmail.com wrote: 2) You have to think that it's worth doing (most developers don't.) Hmm. This is puzzling to me, since as a developer I would want to reach as many people as

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-10 Thread Jody McKinniss
Dennis, You make some very good points. However, isn't some of this offset by my responses to your initial list of four things? In particular: 3) You have to spend the time rearchitecting your software (most developers won't.) We can add in the research time on accessibility, etc., as well as

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Jody McKinniss
I have a question related to what you wrote, Tom. My complaint isn't with changes in software in the sense of ribbons, that sort of thing. My complaint is that so many mainstream developers refuse to even attempt to make their applications or websites really accessible. I don't understand why

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Jody McKinniss
Danielle, It is possible to install Windows 7 on a machine that came with 8 pre-installed. I had this very thing happen to me. I found that because of the changes Microsoft had made to the partition table, it basically locked you out of doing it the normal way, formatting the drive and simply

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Danielle, If you can find the Windows 7 drivers for your computer its possible to install Windows 7 on it. A lot depends on if you can find hardware drivers for your system. Although, that shouldn't be a problem since its a newer machine and I would think the hardware is still backwards

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Jody, Honestly, the answer to both of your questions is simple ignorance on the part of the developer. One thing you may not realize is that when a student enrolls in a college class on programming or goes to a tech school that there isn't any time spent on accessibility. College courses and

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Charles Rivard
@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Charles, Well, to begin with there are sometimes a technical reason for a change, but a lot of times there isn't. Unfortunately, a lot of end users

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Josh
you can get a copy of windows7 on ebay. to install windows7 you'll have to turn secure boot off in the bios or uefi, and turn on legacy support. and good luck finding some drivers. signature not available. Danielle Antoine wrote: So for all of you comp savvy people on hear, is it possible to

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Josh
yes ubuntu has great disk drive tools and you can do some really cool but dangerous stuff with ubuntu-gnome's partitioning tools and other tools it has. signature not available. Jody McKinniss wrote: Danielle, It is possible to install Windows 7 on a machine that came with 8 pre-installed.

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, Yes, I do. The New Coke fiasco is infamous, and was probably one of the worst blunders in modern business history. Even so I am not sure that Microsoft is making that kind of mistake. There are certainly users who won't buy Windows 8 because of the changes in user interface, but there

Re: [Audyssey] Microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread tim
You can do it but its not easy, and this link may help, http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2417359,00.asp You can get win7 from just about anywhere like Amazon or ebay. The cheapest place is from, http://www.pricewatch.com/ They send you the key in a email and give you a link to download the

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread tim
it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread Charles Rivard
PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games Hi Charles, Well, to begin with there are sometimes a technical reason for a change, but a lot of times there isn't. Unfortunately, a lot of end users aren't savvy enough to recognize

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-09 Thread tim
defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: tim z200...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales

[Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Charles Rivard
I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon system has replaced the pulldown menus, why sounds are handled in such a way that games no longer work and recording of music cannot be done as it used to be, and why perfectly user friendly Email

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Josh
if you don't like microsoft, switch to ubuntu-gnome 14.04. but if you do that you may complain about the lack of games on that operating system then. signature not available. Charles Rivard wrote: I don't know much about the technical reasoning, but I don't know why, for example, the ribbon

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, Well, to begin with there are sometimes a technical reason for a change, but a lot of times there isn't. Unfortunately, a lot of end users aren't savvy enough to recognize the difference between the two. In this case your question is a little of both. Regarding issues with sound it

Re: [Audyssey] microsoft changes - Re: Fwd: LWorks discontinuing sales of Legacy games

2014-09-08 Thread Danielle Antoine
So for all of you comp savvy people on hear, is it possible to install windows 7 on a windows 8 machine? And now computers come with preinstalled software, where might I get copy of Windows 7? Danielle On 9/8/14, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Charles, Well, to begin with