Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
Hmmm, I'm not sure I agree that locks/pressure points are more effective, and a throw would be best done in such a way as to stay in contact with the throwee, just in case they get back up. The problem with relying on locks and pressure points is that they rely on pain for effectiveness. Get a meth-head hopped up on everything from under the sink and pain isn't an effective deterrent. A properly applied lock affects the structure and physically prevents movement, but only if the thug isn't willing to sacrifice a body part to get you. Now at a high enough level of mastery, you will prevail even against the unwilling with a lock. I'm skeptical of pressure points; I can endure a lot of the ones that are supposed to put someone down; pain is just pain. If you're talking about things like Dim Mak (sp) that are supposed to short-circuit qi flow, that's beyond my experience and I can't comment. Finally, I urge people to study full martial arts rather than strictly self-defense, because you get a broader context for what you are doing, and learn principles that can be applied when the situation goes pear-shaped and leaves the training scenario behind. (Insert audio clip of John Clees instructing students to attack him with a banana here.) Self-defense courses are usually short and scenario-based, which is all well and good if you encounter the exact scenario, but the gods help you if you get taken outside of scenario parameters. And as for strange environments, there are ways to minimize that problem, which you point out quite correctly. There are ways to move your feet so as to account for rough terrain, changes in level etc while remaining on balance. This is one of the first things we learned in Daito Ryu. It might sound odd, but I spent two months learning how to walk again at the age of thirty-five. Christopher Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
There's modern fencing which is done on a strip, and then there is the medieval fencing that I have studied which is done wherever; think D'Artagnon or Inigo Montoya. I'll save a longer discussion of how to do this for the other list if it comes into being, but suffice it to say that no, you don't necessarily need to see your opponent's blade. It's not easy, but there are ways to move to seek tactile contact that also defend you until you know what you're doing. I've managed to catch my teacher with a proper lunge more than once. Christopher Bartlett At 10:47 PM 1/3/2008, you wrote: Fencing, really? That is one thing I'd love to do, they have it where I'm studying, but I thought you had to see the sword of your oponent, Chris, I'd really be interested to know how it's done, or maybe I've got the wrong idea about the rules of fencing? Is fencing where you're both on a mat with swords and circle each other trying to get a stab? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Ari et al; Done! Visit: http://groups.google.com/group/visd My apologies for the adult content warning. (Google is strange on some things) It should be removed soon. Just click that you are eighteen and things should be fine... I look forward to continuing this discussion over there!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:42 PM, ari wrote: Cool idea Cara, create one. Talking about lists, is there actually a list for if I'm a blind person and I just want to ask questions to other blind people about how to get things done or where to find resources etc, example the self-defence, is there a list where I could have just posted that question and it would be answered by other blind people? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
well, don't look forward to it too much since this is a gaming discussion group. Not a self-defense group. Mich said the following on 1/4/2008 8:34 AM: hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
Wow, please tell me I didn't send my reply to Audessey! lol! Ack, go ahead and delete it if you would?... Thanks so much... God, guess I shouldn't assume that people use the correct addies when sending! lol!... My apologies to the mods! Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: well, don't look forward to it too much since this is a gaming discussion group. Not a self-defense group. Mich said the following on 1/4/2008 8:34 AM: hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
lol! thanks Raul! yeah we can save all talk of @#s kicking here for games! eh?! ,smile Anyway, I've remedied the prob so errant posts from me won't happen in future. smile Thanks for your understanding. There've sure been quite a few OT posts here of late... Anyway, have an awesome day! K?... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:54 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: I guess I won't beat you up this time smile. Besides which, you could probably kick my ... Anyway, yes, his message and yours came to the wrong place. These things happen. Cara Quinn said the following on 1/4/2008 11:33 AM: Wow, please tell me I didn't send my reply to Audessey! lol! Ack, go ahead and delete it if you would?... Thanks so much... God, guess I shouldn't assume that people use the correct addies when sending! lol!... My apologies to the mods! Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: well, don't look forward to it too much since this is a gaming discussion group. Not a self-defense group. Mich said the following on 1/4/2008 8:34 AM: hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
I guess I won't beat you up this time smile. Besides which, you could probably kick my ... Anyway, yes, his message and yours came to the wrong place. These things happen. Cara Quinn said the following on 1/4/2008 11:33 AM: Wow, please tell me I didn't send my reply to Audessey! lol! Ack, go ahead and delete it if you would?... Thanks so much... God, guess I shouldn't assume that people use the correct addies when sending! lol!... My apologies to the mods! Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote: well, don't look forward to it too much since this is a gaming discussion group. Not a self-defense group. Mich said the following on 1/4/2008 8:34 AM: hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
Hi Mich, welcome! Well it looks like you get a prize! lol! You're the first poster! Congratulations! (insert huge Monty Python style fanfare here) thanks very much for your interest and I'm hoping as well to have some good conversations about self defense as a VI person... For myself, I've had some martial arts training in addition to self defense courses both specifically for VI and not. One of my favs which is mainstream, was model mugging, which relies on the attackers wearing completely padded suits so that the participants can defend themselves without pulling punches or worrying about hurting the instructors... Have you had any exp with self defense or martial arts?... Have a great day and thanks for starting us off!!!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:34 AM, Mich wrote: hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Ari et al; Done! Visit: http://groups.google.com/group/visd My apologies for the adult content warning. (Google is strange on some things) It should be removed soon. Just click that you are eighteen and things should be fine... I look forward to continuing this discussion over there!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:42 PM, ari wrote: Cool idea Cara, create one. Talking about lists, is there actually a list for if I'm a blind person and I just want to ask questions to other blind people about how to get things done or where to find resources etc, example the self-defence, is there a list where I could have just posted that question and it would be answered by other blind people? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
you know you guys are sending this stuff to the gamers group. Please send them to your new group. Thanks - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Mich, welcome! Well it looks like you get a prize! lol! You're the first poster! Congratulations! (insert huge Monty Python style fanfare here) thanks very much for your interest and I'm hoping as well to have some good conversations about self defense as a VI person... For myself, I've had some martial arts training in addition to self defense courses both specifically for VI and not. One of my favs which is mainstream, was model mugging, which relies on the attackers wearing completely padded suits so that the participants can defend themselves without pulling punches or worrying about hurting the instructors... Have you had any exp with self defense or martial arts?... Have a great day and thanks for starting us off!!!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:34 AM, Mich wrote: hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Ari et al; Done! Visit: http://groups.google.com/group/visd My apologies for the adult content warning. (Google is strange on some things) It should be removed soon. Just click that you are eighteen and things should be fine... I look forward to continuing this discussion over there!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:42 PM, ari wrote: Cool idea Cara, create one. Talking about lists, is there actually a list for if I'm a blind person and I just want to ask questions to other blind people about how to get things done or where to find resources etc, example the self-defence, is there a list where I could have just posted that question and it would be answered by other blind people? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2682 (20071123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
hi Cara well no I have not had any experience with self defense. I think though why the topic has interested me is because I live above a dance studio. When the people are not dancing they are doing Tike Wan Doe sorry if I spelled that wrong. I have never asked though if I could join since I am not sure how well they would deal with trying to teach a blind person etc. well many thanks for the nice warm welcome. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Mich, welcome! Well it looks like you get a prize! lol! You're the first poster! Congratulations! (insert huge Monty Python style fanfare here) thanks very much for your interest and I'm hoping as well to have some good conversations about self defense as a VI person... For myself, I've had some martial arts training in addition to self defense courses both specifically for VI and not. One of my favs which is mainstream, was model mugging, which relies on the attackers wearing completely padded suits so that the participants can defend themselves without pulling punches or worrying about hurting the instructors... Have you had any exp with self defense or martial arts?... Have a great day and thanks for starting us off!!!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:34 AM, Mich wrote: hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Ari et al; Done! Visit: http://groups.google.com/group/visd My apologies for the adult content warning. (Google is strange on some things) It should be removed soon. Just click that you are eighteen and things should be fine... I look forward to continuing this discussion over there!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:42 PM, ari wrote: Cool idea Cara, create one. Talking about lists, is there actually a list for if I'm a blind person and I just want to ask questions to other blind people about how to get things done or where to find resources etc, example the self-defence, is there a list where I could have just posted that question and it would be answered by other blind people? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
Hi. Karate? I've read up on it a bit by chance, and it appears that it's similar to judo in sorts. I recall it mentioned you hold on to your opponent's gui, I assume that's like the coat with it's lapel type thingy, only it's named differently in this case when you're going to start. after that, I believe things change, as they do in wrestling and judo, so that contact is maintained as much as possible. The moves are just different. If contact is broken, the action stops, and is resumed again, in proper contact. I could be off my marks on that, but I took me a stab, guessing in dim and cloudy light where the target was. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:43 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi all, This might be off-topic, but I just don't know where to ask and it's sort of a question of having fun or entertainment for blind people. I'd like to know are Tai Chi and karate accessible for blind people? I know blindys can do Judo, but what other martial arts courses have any totally blindys done and did any adaptation need to be made considering you were practicing with sighted persons, like did the teacher come round and demonstrate the moves? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, my own list, which has only 5 members atm, but I'm welcoming anyone who comes in and stays polite. it's [EMAIL PROTECTED], if you don't know how to subscribe, and you want to, send me a private email, feel a bit uncomfortable mentioning it here, seams impolite of me toward those who run this list. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Cool idea Cara, create one. Talking about lists, is there actually a list for if I'm a blind person and I just want to ask questions to other blind people about how to get things done or where to find resources etc, example the self-defence, is there a list where I could have just posted that question and it would be answered by other blind people? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Considering that you have already been impolite by even posting this message in the first place, what is the difference? Please everyone, let's get back on topic. Around 80% of the messages for today have not been about gaming. Valiant (on laptop) said the following on 1/4/2008 2:49 PM: Yes, my own list, which has only 5 members atm, but I'm welcoming anyone who comes in and stays polite. it's [EMAIL PROTECTED], if you don't know how to subscribe, and you want to, send me a private email, feel a bit uncomfortable mentioning it here, seams impolite of me toward those who run this list. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:42 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Cool idea Cara, create one. Talking about lists, is there actually a list for if I'm a blind person and I just want to ask questions to other blind people about how to get things done or where to find resources etc, example the self-defence, is there a list where I could have just posted that question and it would be answered by other blind people? Thanks -- Raul A. Gallegos -- http://www.asmodean.net --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cory, love, read further! lol! As I'd mentioned, I actually didn't know where that note came from, but it's been taken care of now. And, am in the process of writing Mich off-list so he can send to the correct addie... AGain, my apologies to you and others. Have a great weekend!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Cory wrote: you know you guys are sending this stuff to the gamers group. Please send them to your new group. Thanks - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Mich, welcome! Well it looks like you get a prize! lol! You're the first poster! Congratulations! (insert huge Monty Python style fanfare here) thanks very much for your interest and I'm hoping as well to have some good conversations about self defense as a VI person... For myself, I've had some martial arts training in addition to self defense courses both specifically for VI and not. One of my favs which is mainstream, was model mugging, which relies on the attackers wearing completely padded suits so that the participants can defend themselves without pulling punches or worrying about hurting the instructors... Have you had any exp with self defense or martial arts?... Have a great day and thanks for starting us off!!!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 4, 2008, at 5:34 AM, Mich wrote: hi all. I just joind this group. I look forwerd to talking to all of you about self difence at this group. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Ari et al; Done! Visit: http://groups.google.com/group/visd My apologies for the adult content warning. (Google is strange on some things) It should be removed soon. Just click that you are eighteen and things should be fine... I look forward to continuing this discussion over there!... Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 3, 2008, at 10:42 PM, ari wrote: Cool idea Cara, create one. Talking about lists, is there actually a list for if I'm a blind person and I just want to ask questions to other blind people about how to get things done or where to find resources etc, example the self-defence, is there a list where I could have just posted that question and it would be answered by other blind people? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2682 (20071123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
I'd say get your opponent close enough to do enough damage, to say wrestling. We're way off topic here, so contact me off list if you want to discuss further. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Dakotah, Thanks for that, wow you've done a lotin that field. This I think is the main question, because unfortunately there's quite a bit of crime in SA, it would be helpful to learn self-defence, but I know the whole punching and kicking thing is impractical to blind people, but I've always wondered if a person were to try and attack you in real life, what's the best form of doing self-defence fight back. I was wondering this after reading a post about a blind guy who was basically assaulted and slapped, kicked and slapped in the street, when someone's trying to kick you and you don't really know from where they're coming, what's the best SD techniques or form of SD to learn for a blindy in open combat. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ari, I'm forwarding your note to a friend of mine who is quite versed, and may be able to answer you as well... For myself, I've taken both classes and personal one-on-one instruction, and in the later, the solution is probably obvious, and in the former, the instructor came 'round and showed me the correct moves / positions... HTH Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:43 PM, ari wrote: Hi all, This might be off-topic, but I just don't know where to ask and it's sort of a question of having fun or entertainment for blind people. I'd like to know are Tai Chi and karate accessible for blind people? I know blindys can do Judo, but what other martial arts courses have any totally blindys done and did any adaptation need to be made considering you were practicing with sighted persons, like did the teacher come round and demonstrate the moves? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi all I live Above a Dance Studio and in the evenings when the dancing is over they do Tike Wan Doe I have never really signed up or asked if I could join since like you say I am not sure if it is accessible. I am just giving my 2 sense on this topic for what it is worth. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard Ontario Canada. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Ari, I'm forwarding your note to a friend of mine who is quite versed, and may be able to answer you as well... For myself, I've taken both classes and personal one-on-one instruction, and in the later, the solution is probably obvious, and in the former, the instructor came 'round and showed me the correct moves / positions... HTH Smiles, Cara :) On Jan 2, 2008, at 2:43 PM, ari wrote: Hi all, This might be off-topic, but I just don't know where to ask and it's sort of a question of having fun or entertainment for blind people. I'd like to know are Tai Chi and karate accessible for blind people? I know blindys can do Judo, but what other martial arts courses have any totally blindys done and did any adaptation need to be made considering you were practicing with sighted persons, like did the teacher come round and demonstrate the moves? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You can learn self defence, if the teacher is nice enough to do one on one for a few lessons to get you going. But if you can't find someone helpful. if found in that situation. Just get them close, like a arm away and let them have it. i usually grab with one hand and do damage with the other. Being that close to them keeps them from doing much damage to you also. Just remember don't start it, because you always have self defence to tell the cops when they come, and if your doing the right damage they will come. Some training can help when it comes to close combat. At 02:37 AM 1/3/2008, you wrote: Hi Dakotah, Thanks for that, wow you've done a lotin that field. This I think is the main question, because unfortunately there's quite a bit of crime in SA, it would be helpful to learn self-defence, but I know the whole punching and kicking thing is impractical to blind people, but I've always wondered if a person were to try and attack you in real life, what's the best form of doing self-defence fight back. I was wondering this after reading a post about a blind guy who was basically assaulted and slapped, kicked and slapped in the street, when someone's trying to kick you and you don't really know from where they're coming, what's the best SD techniques or form of SD to learn for a blindy in open combat. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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As I said briefly in my earlier post, the best hand-to-hand, unarmed, technique would be anything involving throws, locks, or pressure points. Also, if you are a cane user, that can function as a pretty nice deterrent. Plus, if you're being attacked for real, don't worry about innocent bystanders. If they're standing there watching you get beat up, they could probably do with an accidental kick. Basically, go after anything that goes after you, and expect to get hurt. Unfortunately, without proximity, I can't teach you anything. Signed: Dakotah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 02:38 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Dakotah, Thanks for that, wow you've done a lotin that field. This I think is the main question, because unfortunately there's quite a bit of crime in SA, it would be helpful to learn self-defence, but I know the whole punching and kicking thing is impractical to blind people, but I've always wondered if a person were to try and attack you in real life, what's the best form of doing self-defence fight back. I was wondering this after reading a post about a blind guy who was basically assaulted and slapped, kicked and slapped in the street, when someone's trying to kick you and you don't really know from where they're coming, what's the best SD techniques or form of SD to learn for a blindy in open combat. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Your statement is correct concerning most of the weapon. If they aren't concealed, sai and nunchaku are still legal in most of the United States, and a staff is easy enough to come by. A cuboton, pronounced koo bo than, is a very cheap weapon, a five-inch metal cylinder sharpened to a point that can be hung on a keychain. Many police officers recommend carrying this weapon for self-defense, so surely weapons don't automatically drop self-defense validity. Signed: Dakotah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trouble Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:35 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Now the best one for the blind I think is Tai Kwan Dough. however the weapons you mentioned are all illegal to carry and use, and you can't claim self defence if caught using a weapon. hands and feet are our best weapon for defence, because you can do some real damage. Always claiming self defence. At 11:33 PM 1/2/2008, you wrote: Good day. I have engaged in several martial arts. The one with which I am most familiar is TaeKwonDoo (Tai Kwan Dough.) That martial art mixes elements of punches, blocks, kicks, throws, and stances. A blind person can easily learn where and how to stand and even how and when to punch. For self-defense purposes, however, punches and kicks are very ineffectual for us. It's hard to aim when you are trying to make sure you don't get hurt. Throws and locks work well, if you can get a good grip. I also have experience with using the following weapons: Nunchaku (numchucks) work well for self-defense, but again, striking is an issue. Bo staff: very effective for us because of the large striking radius. Sword: impractical to carry and use because of the lethal nature and aiming issues. Swords, however, have an elegance and swiftness most weapons lack. Sai: these small, dagger like weapons aren't lethal unless needed to be. They are, however, quite small compared to a sword or staff. Mine are only 21 inches long, and that's the largest kind. Tonfa: this weapon is difficult for us to use because of the fact that a constant spin and strike combination are necessary for proper use. Obviously, guns and bows (the kind that shoot arrows) are impractical for us as self-defense weapons, although having good basic knowledge of guns is a good idea for anyone learning self-defense. I know that I've strayed off-topic a bit, but I hope that this information is helpful. If you have any questions that I can answer, please feel free to e-mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] S SIgned: Dakotah Rickard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 17:44 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi all, This might be off-topic, but I just don't know where to ask and it's sort of a question of having fun or entertainment for blind people. I'd like to know are Tai Chi and karate accessible for blind people? I know blindys can do Judo, but what other martial arts courses have any totally blindys done and did any adaptation need to be made considering you were practicing with sighted persons, like did the teacher come round and demonstrate the moves? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim trouble Never offend people with style when you can offend them with substance. --Sam Brown Blindeudora list owner. To subscribe or info: http://www.freelists.org/webpage/blindeudora --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can
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If the weapon can cut, puncture or break bones on impact. they are highly illegal and in most states anything past the width of your hand wither it be a knife or pointed rod is illegal. BTW. If you mean numchucks a chain with one stick at each end. Well no where in the USA is that legal. nor is brass knuckles, thong staff witch is a rod that expands with a press of a button, some states mace or pepper spray and even stun guns. if your going to get something for self defence. Check with your local police to make sure your not breaking any laws that will do more harm to you then your opponent Because some weapons can raise it from self defence to premeditated murder. In this state even pointing a harmless plastic dart gun at someone is called attempted murder. So as you see it don't take much to change the law from something simple to something that you really don't want. At 11:16 AM 1/3/2008, you wrote: Your statement is correct concerning most of the weapon. If they aren't concealed, sai and nunchaku are still legal in most of the United States, and a staff is easy enough to come by. A cuboton, pronounced koo bo than, is a very cheap weapon, a five-inch metal cylinder sharpened to a point that can be hung on a keychain. Many police officers recommend carrying this weapon for self-defense, so surely weapons don't automatically drop self-defense validity. Signed: Dakotah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trouble Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:35 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Now the best one for the blind I think is Tai Kwan Dough. however the weapons you mentioned are all illegal to carry and use, and you can't claim self defence if caught using a weapon. hands and feet are our best weapon for defence, because you can do some real damage. Always claiming self defence. At 11:33 PM 1/2/2008, you wrote: Good day. I have engaged in several martial arts. The one with which I am most familiar is TaeKwonDoo (Tai Kwan Dough.) That martial art mixes elements of punches, blocks, kicks, throws, and stances. A blind person can easily learn where and how to stand and even how and when to punch. For self-defense purposes, however, punches and kicks are very ineffectual for us. It's hard to aim when you are trying to make sure you don't get hurt. Throws and locks work well, if you can get a good grip. I also have experience with using the following weapons: Nunchaku (numchucks) work well for self-defense, but again, striking is an issue. Bo staff: very effective for us because of the large striking radius. Sword: impractical to carry and use because of the lethal nature and aiming issues. Swords, however, have an elegance and swiftness most weapons lack. Sai: these small, dagger like weapons aren't lethal unless needed to be. They are, however, quite small compared to a sword or staff. Mine are only 21 inches long, and that's the largest kind. Tonfa: this weapon is difficult for us to use because of the fact that a constant spin and strike combination are necessary for proper use. Obviously, guns and bows (the kind that shoot arrows) are impractical for us as self-defense weapons, although having good basic knowledge of guns is a good idea for anyone learning self-defense. I know that I've strayed off-topic a bit, but I hope that this information is helpful. If you have any questions that I can answer, please feel free to e-mail me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] S SIgned: Dakotah Rickard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 17:44 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi all, This might be off-topic, but I just don't know where to ask and it's sort of a question of having fun or entertainment for blind people. I'd like to know are Tai Chi and karate accessible for blind people? I know blindys can do Judo, but what other martial arts courses have any totally blindys done and did any adaptation need to be made considering you were practicing with sighted persons, like did the teacher come round and demonstrate the moves? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org
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here in south africa we use shock machines for self defence. Its a little machine with 2 buttons. The one button is pressed to warn the opponent, it makes a beeping sound. And the second button will give the opponent the shock of his life! It will not kill him, just give him a hurtfull shock he won't forget. My dad uses such a machine. Although i haven't used it myself, i think its pretty accessible as it only has 2 buttons as long as you know how to keep the part of the machine that emits the current away from you. Its illegal in south africa. - original message - Subject:Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence From: Trouble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03/01/2008 7:18 pm If the weapon can cut, puncture or break bones on impact. they are highly illegal and in most states anything past the width of your hand wither it be a knife or pointed rod is illegal. BTW. If you mean numchucks a chain with one stick at each end. Well no where in the USA is that legal. nor is brass knuckles, thong staff witch is a rod that expands with a press of a button, some states mace or pepper spray and even stun guns. if your going to get something for self defence. Check with your local police to make sure your not breaking any laws that will do more harm to you then your opponent Because some weapons can raise it from self defence to premeditated murder. In this state even pointing a harmless plastic dart gun at someone is called attempted murder. So as you see it don't take much to change the law from something simple to something that you really don't want. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Nicol, How close must the machine be to the opponent to be effective, and second, the fact that it is illegal, well, just then don't mention it too loudly. I remember that guy from Vanderbijl Park who invented a flamethrower you attach to the car which tried to burn hijackers, but that was also banned. Anyway, we are way OT, so we won't continue on this, but I hope some of you on the list enjoyed the thought of a car with a flamethrower on iether side! Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Would anyone be interested in continuing the topic of self defense as a VI person on another list?... I was asked this past summer if I was interested in being an instructor in LA so this is something I'm definitely interested in. If people would like, I'll consider creating a list for this... Lemme know off list if you would? Thanks so much and sorry for the additional OT! Smiles, Cara out :) On Jan 3, 2008, at 1:58 PM, ari wrote: Hi Nicol, How close must the machine be to the opponent to be effective, and second, the fact that it is illegal, well, just then don't mention it too loudly. I remember that guy from Vanderbijl Park who invented a flamethrower you attach to the car which tried to burn hijackers, but that was also banned. Anyway, we are way OT, so we won't continue on this, but I hope some of you on the list enjoyed the thought of a car with a flamethrower on iether side! Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's like a stun gun. Lots of places keep tight controls on stun guns and air tasers, but they are workable in some situations. It's really funny that people make hand weapons like knives illegal but a gun can be bought at wal-mart. Not that I'm against guns, but they do much more damage much more quickly...don't you think? Do check with local police, and don't necessarily take any word as the whole truth, not even mine, unless it's official. Signed: Dakotah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 15:09 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence here in south africa we use shock machines for self defence. Its a little machine with 2 buttons. The one button is pressed to warn the opponent, it makes a beeping sound. And the second button will give the opponent the shock of his life! It will not kill him, just give him a hurtfull shock he won't forget. My dad uses such a machine. Although i haven't used it myself, i think its pretty accessible as it only has 2 buttons as long as you know how to keep the part of the machine that emits the current away from you. Its illegal in south africa. - original message - Subject:Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence From: Trouble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 03/01/2008 7:18 pm If the weapon can cut, puncture or break bones on impact. they are highly illegal and in most states anything past the width of your hand wither it be a knife or pointed rod is illegal. BTW. If you mean numchucks a chain with one stick at each end. Well no where in the USA is that legal. nor is brass knuckles, thong staff witch is a rod that expands with a press of a button, some states mace or pepper spray and even stun guns. if your going to get something for self defence. Check with your local police to make sure your not breaking any laws that will do more harm to you then your opponent Because some weapons can raise it from self defence to premeditated murder. In this state even pointing a harmless plastic dart gun at someone is called attempted murder. So as you see it don't take much to change the law from something simple to something that you really don't want. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Stun guns require contact with your opponent. They touch two electrodes to their skin. Air tasers use two thin wires attached to darts, like short needles, which puncture the skin and deliver a different kind of shock which is usually more powerful. The words taser and stun gun have become interchangeable, but they are truly not. Tasers have a range of fifteen feet and are usually illegal. Stun guns have an almost non-existent range and are more often allowed. Signed: Dakotah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 16:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence Hi Nicol, How close must the machine be to the opponent to be effective, and second, the fact that it is illegal, well, just then don't mention it too loudly. I remember that guy from Vanderbijl Park who invented a flamethrower you attach to the car which tried to burn hijackers, but that was also banned. Anyway, we are way OT, so we won't continue on this, but I hope some of you on the list enjoyed the thought of a car with a flamethrower on iether side! Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I must take issue with the idea that striking is impractical for a blind person. It's a matter of distancing. Get in close and your lack of vision becomes far less of a handicap. In fact, if you've trained yourself to have good tactile and tactical awareness, the contact of one hand on your partner/opponent/attacker should give you a good notion of where the rest of his/her body is. I'm trying to work past that to the point where I can pick up incoming motions/attacks in space before the contact is made. When it works, it's one of the most beautiful feelings I've ever experienced. On a practical evel, movement is your friend. If you are confident of your environment, constant motion will reduce the effectiveness of an incoming attack, particularly if it is unpredictable. Seek to close with your attacker, particularly if he has a weapon. A weapon is only an asset at its optimum range. Get inside that range and you make it a liability. All of that isn't easy, but it can be done. Christopher Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have studied Aikido, Aikijujitsu, Northern Shaolin kung fu and Spanish fencing. Any martial art is accessible if you are willing to put in the time and have a teacher who sees the possibilities. I learn best by having techniques performed upon me and have risen high enough to do some teaching. I have done unarmed and weapons work; the latter is a bit nervous-making when everyone has actual steel katana, but it's more than totally awesome. It requires a lot of self-awareness, since you have to filter out your own body noise (by which I mean a lot more than auditory input) before you can become aware of what your partner/opponent is doing. I encourage any reasonably healthy blind person to study martial arts. Not only is it fantastic exercise, but it will give you that much more awareness of your environment, which, since we operate at a basic awareness defficit, will help you carry yourself with confidence and avoid dangers. The self-defense aspect is there too, but almost the least important. Christopher Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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if anyone's interested, I've got a friend that's a triple blackbelt. He's worked with me and taught me some basics. He also taught another blind kid. He was a lot younger than me however. He beet the crap out of a forty something year old guy. This was because he was able to feel the vibrations of his movements, (so he told me). If you guys want to get in contact with him, I'm sure we could arrange it. Let me know. Msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim: corykadlik111. Have a great one, Cory - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence I must take issue with the idea that striking is impractical for a blind person. It's a matter of distancing. Get in close and your lack of vision becomes far less of a handicap. In fact, if you've trained yourself to have good tactile and tactical awareness, the contact of one hand on your partner/opponent/attacker should give you a good notion of where the rest of his/her body is. I'm trying to work past that to the point where I can pick up incoming motions/attacks in space before the contact is made. When it works, it's one of the most beautiful feelings I've ever experienced. On a practical evel, movement is your friend. If you are confident of your environment, constant motion will reduce the effectiveness of an incoming attack, particularly if it is unpredictable. Seek to close with your attacker, particularly if he has a weapon. A weapon is only an asset at its optimum range. Get inside that range and you make it a liability. All of that isn't easy, but it can be done. Christopher Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2682 (20071123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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agreed Chris - Original Message - From: Christopher Bartlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence I have studied Aikido, Aikijujitsu, Northern Shaolin kung fu and Spanish fencing. Any martial art is accessible if you are willing to put in the time and have a teacher who sees the possibilities. I learn best by having techniques performed upon me and have risen high enough to do some teaching. I have done unarmed and weapons work; the latter is a bit nervous-making when everyone has actual steel katana, but it's more than totally awesome. It requires a lot of self-awareness, since you have to filter out your own body noise (by which I mean a lot more than auditory input) before you can become aware of what your partner/opponent is doing. I encourage any reasonably healthy blind person to study martial arts. Not only is it fantastic exercise, but it will give you that much more awareness of your environment, which, since we operate at a basic awareness defficit, will help you carry yourself with confidence and avoid dangers. The self-defense aspect is there too, but almost the least important. Christopher Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ NOD32 2682 (20071123) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Most certainly, that is the case, all of your information is correct. The problem is, most people are going to learn self-defense instead of a martial art. Striking is impractical to start out learning for purely defensive purposes. If a person wants to learn a martial art, for physical or mental disciplinary purposes, more training can be arranged. Also, a concern is that which you pointed out. Familiarity with the environment is usually not a luxury we have. In a training setting, the environment is uniform or at least fairly constant. On the streets, God knows what the environment is like. Strikes, basically, can be used by us with great effect, but that's only after you've grabbed a person, unless you've gotten lots of training. If I've got someone, I'm going to do a pressure point, wrist or arm lock, or throw them hard because that'll do more damage and disable them faster than a strike, based on odds of hitting the target. Remember, these are based on self-defense, not professional martial arts issues. Everyone should know self-defense, but not everyone wants to know martial arts. Signed: Dakotah Rickard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Bartlett Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Accessible self-defence I must take issue with the idea that striking is impractical for a blind person. It's a matter of distancing. Get in close and your lack of vision becomes far less of a handicap. In fact, if you've trained yourself to have good tactile and tactical awareness, the contact of one hand on your partner/opponent/attacker should give you a good notion of where the rest of his/her body is. I'm trying to work past that to the point where I can pick up incoming motions/attacks in space before the contact is made. When it works, it's one of the most beautiful feelings I've ever experienced. On a practical evel, movement is your friend. If you are confident of your environment, constant motion will reduce the effectiveness of an incoming attack, particularly if it is unpredictable. Seek to close with your attacker, particularly if he has a weapon. A weapon is only an asset at its optimum range. Get inside that range and you make it a liability. All of that isn't easy, but it can be done. Christopher Bartlett --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Fencing, really? That is one thing I'd love to do, they have it where I'm studying, but I thought you had to see the sword of your oponent, Chris, I'd really be interested to know how it's done, or maybe I've got the wrong idea about the rules of fencing? Is fencing where you're both on a mat with swords and circle each other trying to get a stab? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Cool idea Cara, create one. Talking about lists, is there actually a list for if I'm a blind person and I just want to ask questions to other blind people about how to get things done or where to find resources etc, example the self-defence, is there a list where I could have just posted that question and it would be answered by other blind people? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] Accessible self-defence
Hi all, This might be off-topic, but I just don't know where to ask and it's sort of a question of having fun or entertainment for blind people. I'd like to know are Tai Chi and karate accessible for blind people? I know blindys can do Judo, but what other martial arts courses have any totally blindys done and did any adaptation need to be made considering you were practicing with sighted persons, like did the teacher come round and demonstrate the moves? Thanks Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dakotah, Thanks for that, wow you've done a lotin that field. This I think is the main question, because unfortunately there's quite a bit of crime in SA, it would be helpful to learn self-defence, but I know the whole punching and kicking thing is impractical to blind people, but I've always wondered if a person were to try and attack you in real life, what's the best form of doing self-defence fight back. I was wondering this after reading a post about a blind guy who was basically assaulted and slapped, kicked and slapped in the street, when someone's trying to kick you and you don't really know from where they're coming, what's the best SD techniques or form of SD to learn for a blindy in open combat. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
