Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-28 Thread Shadow Dragon
According to Yukio, you want to change jobs at around level 45, he says lich 
is the only one that gets a skill at job level 50, the max job level. I 
think there may be some that gain skills after 45, like between 46 and 49 
just given the skill progression with some of my jobs before level 45, the 
only one that actually gained a skill on level 45 was my fighter, but I 
decided to change jobs anyway and come back to them. Apparently when you 
gain a character level, you automatically gain a class level as well so you 
don't want to waste those since you can only go up to character level 100. 
So I'd wait quite a while before changing jobs.


And I actually cheated to beat the castle dungeon, hahaha. I didn't even 
unlock it until pretty late in the game, and by that point I had items that 
just allowed me to float over the water so getting the chests was 
ridiculously easy. Honestly unless you've gotten other things though I don't 
see them as being useful, all I got was magic stones, which are just more 
powerful rocks it looks like. I haven't actually tried them out though so 
maybe they're better than they seem.


Knowing my luck you'll get to the battle I'm on and completely destroy it, 
haha. I had no trouble with the axe beaks either time I fought them, but 
that seems to be the battle everyone gets stuck on.


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions


shadow, just wondering did you ever beat that stage in the castle with
the kick ass boss music and the 8 treasure chests in the water? I'm
trying to get them all but so far no luck
its not the bosses themselves that are the problem, its the water
surrounding the chests that's the problem




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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-28 Thread ryan chou
nah, my slime is transformed in to one of those beetle things, I
hypnotized them one at a time, tetsuo's kick, yasutaka's bone breaker
and momoka's blaze spell, worked wonders
wait, late in the game? doesn't that stage just unlock after the invasion?

On 1/28/13, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote:
 According to Yukio, you want to change jobs at around level 45, he says lich

 is the only one that gets a skill at job level 50, the max job level. I
 think there may be some that gain skills after 45, like between 46 and 49
 just given the skill progression with some of my jobs before level 45, the
 only one that actually gained a skill on level 45 was my fighter, but I
 decided to change jobs anyway and come back to them. Apparently when you
 gain a character level, you automatically gain a class level as well so you

 don't want to waste those since you can only go up to character level 100.
 So I'd wait quite a while before changing jobs.

 And I actually cheated to beat the castle dungeon, hahaha. I didn't even
 unlock it until pretty late in the game, and by that point I had items that

 just allowed me to float over the water so getting the chests was
 ridiculously easy. Honestly unless you've gotten other things though I don't

 see them as being useful, all I got was magic stones, which are just more
 powerful rocks it looks like. I haven't actually tried them out though so
 maybe they're better than they seem.

 Knowing my luck you'll get to the battle I'm on and completely destroy it,
 haha. I had no trouble with the axe beaks either time I fought them, but
 that seems to be the battle everyone gets stuck on.

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 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 PM
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 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

 shadow, just wondering did you ever beat that stage in the castle with
 the kick ass boss music and the 8 treasure chests in the water? I'm
 trying to get them all but so far no luck
 its not the bosses themselves that are the problem, its the water
 surrounding the chests that's the problem



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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-28 Thread Shadow Dragon
It probably does and I just didn't notice, being caught up in the story. I 
didn't find out about it until I got back to town after a fairly long story 
arc on another map, and only then because I did some information gathering.


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions


nah, my slime is transformed in to one of those beetle things, I
hypnotized them one at a time, tetsuo's kick, yasutaka's bone breaker
and momoka's blaze spell, worked wonders
wait, late in the game? doesn't that stage just unlock after the invasion?

On 1/28/13, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote:
According to Yukio, you want to change jobs at around level 45, he says 
lich


is the only one that gets a skill at job level 50, the max job level. I
think there may be some that gain skills after 45, like between 46 and 49
just given the skill progression with some of my jobs before level 45, 
the

only one that actually gained a skill on level 45 was my fighter, but I
decided to change jobs anyway and come back to them. Apparently when you
gain a character level, you automatically gain a class level as well so 
you


don't want to waste those since you can only go up to character level 
100.

So I'd wait quite a while before changing jobs.

And I actually cheated to beat the castle dungeon, hahaha. I didn't even
unlock it until pretty late in the game, and by that point I had items 
that


just allowed me to float over the water so getting the chests was
ridiculously easy. Honestly unless you've gotten other things though I 
don't


see them as being useful, all I got was magic stones, which are just more
powerful rocks it looks like. I haven't actually tried them out though so
maybe they're better than they seem.

Knowing my luck you'll get to the battle I'm on and completely destroy 
it,

haha. I had no trouble with the axe beaks either time I fought them, but
that seems to be the battle everyone gets stuck on.

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Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions


shadow, just wondering did you ever beat that stage in the castle with
the kick ass boss music and the 8 treasure chests in the water? I'm
trying to get them all but so far no luck
its not the bosses themselves that are the problem, its the water
surrounding the chests that's the problem




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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-28 Thread ryan chou
yeah same thing happened to me in bokurano daibouken after stage 6

On 1/28/13, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote:
 It probably does and I just didn't notice, being caught up in the story. I
 didn't find out about it until I got back to town after a fairly long story

 arc on another map, and only then because I did some information gathering.

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 From: ryan chou ryan.chou1...@gmail.com
 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 08:45 AM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

 nah, my slime is transformed in to one of those beetle things, I
 hypnotized them one at a time, tetsuo's kick, yasutaka's bone breaker
 and momoka's blaze spell, worked wonders
 wait, late in the game? doesn't that stage just unlock after the
 invasion?

 On 1/28/13, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote:
 According to Yukio, you want to change jobs at around level 45, he says
 lich

 is the only one that gets a skill at job level 50, the max job level. I
 think there may be some that gain skills after 45, like between 46 and
 49
 just given the skill progression with some of my jobs before level 45,
 the
 only one that actually gained a skill on level 45 was my fighter, but I
 decided to change jobs anyway and come back to them. Apparently when you
 gain a character level, you automatically gain a class level as well so
 you

 don't want to waste those since you can only go up to character level
 100.
 So I'd wait quite a while before changing jobs.

 And I actually cheated to beat the castle dungeon, hahaha. I didn't even
 unlock it until pretty late in the game, and by that point I had items
 that

 just allowed me to float over the water so getting the chests was
 ridiculously easy. Honestly unless you've gotten other things though I
 don't

 see them as being useful, all I got was magic stones, which are just
 more
 powerful rocks it looks like. I haven't actually tried them out though
 so
 maybe they're better than they seem.

 Knowing my luck you'll get to the battle I'm on and completely destroy
 it,
 haha. I had no trouble with the axe beaks either time I fought them, but
 that seems to be the battle everyone gets stuck on.

 --
 From: ryan chou ryan.chou1...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

 shadow, just wondering did you ever beat that stage in the castle with
 the kick ass boss music and the 8 treasure chests in the water? I'm
 trying to get them all but so far no luck
 its not the bosses themselves that are the problem, its the water
 surrounding the chests that's the problem



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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-27 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

well, I wanted to change my keys for translating, but I can't find the path 
you talked about here anywhere. And what did you mean with in App? As far as 
I know, there is no way to get somewhere from within the NVDA menu itself. 
So, what is this all about?

Thanks for clarification and best regards
Sarah

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Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions


You have to edit the __init__ file in App 
Data\roaming\NVDA\Addons\InstantTranslate\Global Plugins\InstantTranslate. 
Make sure you edit the python file, not the compiled one. The keys are at 
the very bottom of the file and you can change them to whatever you want.


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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-27 Thread Shadow Dragon
Did you end up using windows XP or 7? I forgot to clarify that these 
instructions work for 7 only, I barely remember how xp is set up at all, 
much less know how and where NVDA installs it's information. What you need 
to find is where NVDA installs your Add-ons and you should be able to find 
the file I told you about. This should be very easy if you install them 
manually, but if you just ran the Add-on package I have no idea where to 
tell you to look if you're using XP.


As for the in app thing, that was actually meant to be part of the path, in 
AppData/roaming/NVDA etc, I just put a space in there by accident. Sorry 
about that.


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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions


Hi,

well, I wanted to change my keys for translating, but I can't find the 
path you talked about here anywhere. And what did you mean with in App? As 
far as I know, there is no way to get somewhere from within the NVDA menu 
itself. So, what is this all about?

Thanks for clarification and best regards
Sarah

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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions


You have to edit the __init__ file in App 
Data\roaming\NVDA\Addons\InstantTranslate\Global 
Plugins\InstantTranslate. Make sure you edit the python file, not the 
compiled one. The keys are at the very bottom of the file and you can 
change them to whatever you want.


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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-27 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

I'm using Windows 7 for this game, since it works with the translation. I 
will have to look at the folders again, since for some reason I couldn't 
find it earlier. But I'm fairly new to Windows 7, so maybe it's just me. 
Lol.


Best regards
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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-27 Thread Shadow Dragon
Oh right, I totally forgot about this. Good call. You may need to enable 
hidden files and folders in order to see App Data. Once you do, it should be 
in the users folder under your username on your system drive.


Haha yeah I'm pretty far in the game, I'm on the ... I don't know, 7th or 
8th area I think, maybe further. I'm at an extremely hard pivotal battle 
that's taking a ton of grinding to even prepare for. It's one of the hardest 
fights I've seen in any RPG, and makes the fight with the Axe Beaks look 
ridiculously easy.


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did you install a portable copy of NVDA? if you did then the path will
be in the NVDA folder, user config
if you installed normally, app data is a hidden folder so that may be
why you can't find it
I had that problem myself a few times :P




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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-27 Thread ryan chou
okay now I'm scared lol
just curious have you done any job changes? I'm trying to decide if I
should, but I don't know if there's anything left to gain out of my
starting jobs first, I wanna get as much out of them as I can before I
switch anybody

On 1/27/13, Shadow Dragon elementalult...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Oh right, I totally forgot about this. Good call. You may need to enable
 hidden files and folders in order to see App Data. Once you do, it should be

 in the users folder under your username on your system drive.

 Haha yeah I'm pretty far in the game, I'm on the ... I don't know, 7th or
 8th area I think, maybe further. I'm at an extremely hard pivotal battle
 that's taking a ton of grinding to even prepare for. It's one of the hardest

 fights I've seen in any RPG, and makes the fight with the Axe Beaks look
 ridiculously easy.

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 From: ryan chou ryan.chou1...@gmail.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 06:41 PM
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

 did you install a portable copy of NVDA? if you did then the path will
 be in the NVDA folder, user config
 if you installed normally, app data is a hidden folder so that may be
 why you can't find it
 I had that problem myself a few times :P



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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-27 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

well, I finally got the idea that the folder could be hidden myself. :D I 
finally found it and changed the keys, now it works even better. Thanks for 
the help.


Best regards
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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-25 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

wow, thanks for this info! Since I've just started, it certainly will help 
me out a lot. How can I change the key for translation? There at least is 
nothing for it in the settings for the plugin itself.


Thanks again for finding that out!

Best regards
Sarah


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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-25 Thread Shadow Dragon
You have to edit the __init__ file in App 
Data\roaming\NVDA\Addons\InstantTranslate\Global Plugins\InstantTranslate. 
Make sure you edit the python file, not the compiled one. The keys are at 
the very bottom of the file and you can change them to whatever you want. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-25 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

thanks, I'll try just that. I think this could make the whole translation 
thing even easier.


Best regards
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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-24 Thread Shadow Dragon
That's good that you don't find the game too difficult. It's a lot easier 
with the translation addon, it makes things like equipment management much 
less overwhelming.


As for navigation, basically you can jump over anything as long as you have 
two steps left and there's space to land on the other side. You can jump 
over other characters if they're in the way or you want someone else in 
front of them, and you can use the browse mode to see if what you're trying 
to jump over is actually a path, if you hear the click sound like your 
character has hit an obstacle in the browse mode, it means you generally 
can't move in that direction. As of right now I can't find a way to tell 
what terrain type you're on or what a given tile will do, for example, end 
the map. I stumbled across a bonus cave in one of the maps completely by 
accident a couple days ago and would really like to be able to tell what 
tile it was on so I can try it again. I'm going to talk to someone who knows 
the developer and find out if either I'm missing something, or if a feature 
can be added that tells you what type of tile you're on, but as of right now 
it's pretty much guess work. Tiles that end the map are usually on one side 
or the other, and the victory conditions do generally give you a hint as to 
wear to look, for example, if the map says aim to the east and all of your 
characters start on the left, you can assume that the exit will be somewhere 
on the far right, I usually just line my characters up on that side of the 
map and move them in a straight line till one of them finds the exit, or I 
just defeat all the enemies and that ends the map as well.




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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-24 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

thanks for all your help.

Yes, it works quite well with the translation, it makes everything a lot 
easier.


And I finally beat the tutorial, yay. What I found out when I played the 
last map of the tutorial is, that I got infos about the terrain in the 
clipboard. So, when I pressed nvda+shift+y on the map, it would tell me 
things like water, mountain etc. That's the way how I found the map exit 
too. I just monitored the clipboard and found it that way. But it was kind 
of by accident nonetheless, since I didn't realize that exit tiles are just 
normal tiles where you have to end the turn to take it. Lol. Well, I know 
now.
But I really don't know if you get terrain info in the clipboard on other 
maps or if it was just the tutorial. There was a menu option though where 
you could check the terrains of the map and where which terrain is, but I 
forgot how it was called. Somewhere in the menu you get when you press tab 
while in a level. I believe it was the first or second option. There even 
was an option where the game plays a sound in the stereofield depending on 
where the selected terrain type is, and it also gets louder and quieter, 
just sounding like any sounds when you move on the map.


Hope that helps you out a bit. *smiles*

I also beat the first map of the plains already and 5 of my chars got to 
level 2.


Btw, when do I get skills to use? None of my chars has any skills yet. And 
what does have to increase  for skills, the character level or the job 
level?


Thanks for helping. *smiles*

Best regards
Sarah


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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-24 Thread Shadow Dragon
Strange. When I use browse mode and go over all the different tiles, all I 
get are coordinates on the map. I wonder if I messed with a setting 
somewhere that stopped that from working? I'll have to see what I can figure 
out. I have seen the option you were talking about where the game plays 
sounds to show you the different terrain parts on the map, but I haven't 
found it all that useful. And I'm still wondering if there's some method to 
find out if the tile you're on has a spacific purpose, like escaping or 
ending the map or activating a bonus map, I'll have to experiment with the 
options in the game and see what's there.


As for skills, you should start getting them very soon. You gain skills both 
at character and job levels, and they're very much class spacific. You'll 
definitely have at least one skill on each character before you clear the 
first area. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-24 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

ok, thanks for the info about skills.

For the terrain info I got on the tutorial map, I did check the tile in move 
mode, not in browse mode. When you do it in browse mode only the coordinates 
are shown, that's the same for me here. But in move mode it worked. But as I 
said, I don't know if it always works, because now I only get info about 
party members and enemies in my range when I check the clipboard in move 
mode. But maybe it works on maps where there actually are different 
terrains, I didn't see much of them yet after all.


Best regards
Sarah 



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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-24 Thread Shadow Dragon
It turns out you can get the terrain to display in browse mode. There's a 
setting in the options menu where you can turn off the coordinate display. 
Then as you arrow over tiles, it either displays nothing, or a terrain type. 
It even tells you about event tiles like entrances and exits to maps and 
bonus caves. Definitely something I'm going to have to play with more. You 
have to alt tab out to get it to translate the terrain tiles correctly, 
because pressing shift copies your coordinates to the clipboard in the game. 
Or you could change your translation key, but I just alt tab out if I need 
to know what terrain I'm going over, since I don't need that info often. 
Combine this with control and the arrow keys, which causes the cursor in 
browse mode to move until it encounters an obstacle of note, and you can 
examine maps for special tiles and terrain fairly easily. I'm going to go 
back through the maps I've played already and see if I've missed anything 
special. That's going to be a lot of maps though, lol. 



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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-23 Thread Shadow Dragon
You can complete the tutorial if you want, but you don't actually get 
anything for it. I did with at least one of my saved games, but it isn't 
really necessary.


There is no way to exit a map, at least not officially. If you hit alt f4 
while you're in the alt menu it does exit the game, but it won't save your 
progress. You can save by going out of town onto the world map and choosing 
the save option close to the bottom of the list of options.


Just so you know, this is easily the most complex audiogame ever made. There 
are tons of things to keep track of, from the 8 characters you play, to the 
maps of varrying size, to item, equipment and skill management. As fun as 
this game is, you might consider trying an easier japanese game first until 
you get used to how things translate and how non-tactical RPG's play. It's 
up to you and I'm really not trying to sound condescending or anything, but 
this is definitely not one of the easiest games to start with.


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To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions


Hi,

so, I finally got this game to work under Windows 7, yay. *smiles*

But I'm stuck already.

First question is, how can I save my game? I just spent hours trying to 
complete the tutorial and finally gave up. There was no way to exit the 
current level though, I had to close the game with alt+F4 and nothing was 
saved, which means I have to start over again, grrr. So, how can I save 
and is there actually a way to exit a level if I have to stop playing? I 
already realized that some levels can take quite some time and therefore 
it's possible that I have to stop in the middle of it.


My second question is about the tutorial. How on earth can I complete the 
last level of it? It's the one where the different terrains are explained, 
and I can't find the exit. I have the strong suspition that I run in 
circles. Lol. So, any help would be appreciated, I don't even know where 
to look for the exit or how to navigate this thing somewhat 
systematically.


So, thanks for any help and best regards
Sarah


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Re: [Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-23 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

ok, I at least found the save feature. *g*

To be honest, I don't find the game too difficult yet. There are many things 
to keep track of, but I find more time consuming than difficult. But maybe 
that's because I've just started, I'll see how it goes when I get a bit 
furter and maybe I'll switch to something else then, but I really want to 
try it a bit more first.


My only real problem is the map navigation. Especially the jumping I don't 
seem to grasp. Most times I get the jump sign when my turn starts, but when 
I press the keys for jumping nothing happens. How do I know where I can jump 
and in which direction? And is there any way to find out where the exit of a 
map is, if it has one and doesn't just end when you defeated an enemy or 
something?


Some pointers for navigation would be great. I know about and use the c key 
and this map browser, but it doesn't always help. Especially not in 
situations like in the last tutorial level where there is nothing on the map 
and I have to find the exit without knowing where to look for it. Lol.


Thanks and best regards
Sarah


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[Audyssey] Brave of Cloudia questions

2013-01-22 Thread Sarah Haake

Hi,

so, I finally got this game to work under Windows 7, yay. *smiles*

But I'm stuck already.

First question is, how can I save my game? I just spent hours trying to 
complete the tutorial and finally gave up. There was no way to exit the 
current level though, I had to close the game with alt+F4 and nothing was 
saved, which means I have to start over again, grrr. So, how can I save and 
is there actually a way to exit a level if I have to stop playing? I already 
realized that some levels can take quite some time and therefore it's 
possible that I have to stop in the middle of it.


My second question is about the tutorial. How on earth can I complete the 
last level of it? It's the one where the different terrains are explained, 
and I can't find the exit. I have the strong suspition that I run in 
circles. Lol. So, any help would be appreciated, I don't even know where to 
look for the exit or how to navigate this thing somewhat systematically.


So, thanks for any help and best regards
Sarah


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