[Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi.
One thing about jumping I think people have failed to note is if you do 
space and left arrow the left arrow key will both jump you in to the 
air, and in that direction. They are not two Separate actions. The only 
time you want to do a space and up arrow is when you want to jump strait 
up to grab something which is directly above you.



Liam Erven wrote:
 There is also nothing wrong with pressing space and up to jump up. Seems
 logical to me.

 In all the consoll games I played jump sent you up in to the air, and then 
 you could use arrows to move.  I can't think of any games that does what 
 monty does.  though, I could be forgetting one.  Does anyone remember any?
   


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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Liam Erven
when jumping.  from what I've seen, you can press the space bar, and then 
tap an arrow of your choice and still jump.  Maybe it's a bug on this end, 
but it would make more sent to me if you have to hold down the spacebard to 
actually jump.  I could be mistaken, but that is what happened for me when I 
played.

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Subject: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 One thing about jumping I think people have failed to note is if you do
 space and left arrow the left arrow key will both jump you in to the
 air, and in that direction. They are not two Separate actions. The only
 time you want to do a space and up arrow is when you want to jump strait
 up to grab something which is directly above you.



 Liam Erven wrote:
 There is also nothing wrong with pressing space and up to jump up. Seems
 logical to me.

 In all the consoll games I played jump sent you up in to the air, and 
 then
 you could use arrows to move.  I can't think of any games that does what
 monty does.  though, I could be forgetting one.  Does anyone remember 
 any?



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Brandon Cole
That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar prepares 
you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty seconds, then hit 
an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and I'm sure it shall be 
squashed in due time.
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 when jumping.  from what I've seen, you can press the space bar, and then
 tap an arrow of your choice and still jump.  Maybe it's a bug on this end,
 but it would make more sent to me if you have to hold down the spacebard 
 to
 actually jump.  I could be mistaken, but that is what happened for me when 
 I
 played.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:00 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 One thing about jumping I think people have failed to note is if you do
 space and left arrow the left arrow key will both jump you in to the
 air, and in that direction. They are not two Separate actions. The only
 time you want to do a space and up arrow is when you want to jump strait
 up to grab something which is directly above you.



 Liam Erven wrote:
 There is also nothing wrong with pressing space and up to jump up. Seems
 logical to me.

 In all the consoll games I played jump sent you up in to the air, and
 then
 you could use arrows to move.  I can't think of any games that does what
 monty does.  though, I could be forgetting one.  Does anyone remember
 any?



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Richard French
Not sure if anybody else brought this up, but if you hold down the left or 
right arrow keys and press the space bar you die.
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar prepares
you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty seconds, then hit
an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and I'm sure it shall be
squashed in due time.
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From: Liam Erven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 when jumping.  from what I've seen, you can press the space bar, and then
 tap an arrow of your choice and still jump.  Maybe it's a bug on this end,
 but it would make more sent to me if you have to hold down the spacebard
 to
 actually jump.  I could be mistaken, but that is what happened for me when
 I
 played.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:00 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 One thing about jumping I think people have failed to note is if you do
 space and left arrow the left arrow key will both jump you in to the
 air, and in that direction. They are not two Separate actions. The only
 time you want to do a space and up arrow is when you want to jump strait
 up to grab something which is directly above you.



 Liam Erven wrote:
 There is also nothing wrong with pressing space and up to jump up. Seems
 logical to me.

 In all the consoll games I played jump sent you up in to the air, and
 then
 you could use arrows to move.  I can't think of any games that does what
 monty does.  though, I could be forgetting one.  Does anyone remember
 any?



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Phil Vlasak
Hi Tom,
I think that only some of the keys can be held down and then have another 
key hit.
If the control, shift or alt keys are held down for a while they only send 
one signal to the computer but if the space bar is held down it sends a 
signal every tenth of a second or so.
 At least that is what happens in Visual Basic.
And since JFW uses the insert key and others use the caps lock key those 
probably do the same as the control key.
So maybe you should use the control key as the jump modifier since it is the 
easiest to find.
Phil


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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar 
 prepares
 you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty seconds, then hit
 an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and I'm sure it shall be
 squashed in due time.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Liam Erven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 when jumping.  from what I've seen, you can press the space bar, and then
 tap an arrow of your choice and still jump.  Maybe it's a bug on this 
 end,
 but it would make more sent to me if you have to hold down the spacebard
 to
 actually jump.  I could be mistaken, but that is what happened for me 
 when
 I
 played.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:00 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 One thing about jumping I think people have failed to note is if you do
 space and left arrow the left arrow key will both jump you in to the
 air, and in that direction. They are not two Separate actions. The only
 time you want to do a space and up arrow is when you want to jump strait
 up to grab something which is directly above you.



 Liam Erven wrote:
 There is also nothing wrong with pressing space and up to jump up. 
 Seems
 logical to me.

 In all the consoll games I played jump sent you up in to the air, and
 then
 you could use arrows to move.  I can't think of any games that does 
 what
 monty does.  though, I could be forgetting one.  Does anyone remember
 any?



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Liam Erven
phil.  with direct input.  any key can technically be a modifyer.

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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi Tom,
 I think that only some of the keys can be held down and then have another
 key hit.
 If the control, shift or alt keys are held down for a while they only send
 one signal to the computer but if the space bar is held down it sends a
 signal every tenth of a second or so.
 At least that is what happens in Visual Basic.
 And since JFW uses the insert key and others use the caps lock key those
 probably do the same as the control key.
 So maybe you should use the control key as the jump modifier since it is 
 the
 easiest to find.
 Phil


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 From: Brandon Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar
 prepares
 you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty seconds, then 
 hit
 an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and I'm sure it shall be
 squashed in due time.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Liam Erven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 when jumping.  from what I've seen, you can press the space bar, and 
 then
 tap an arrow of your choice and still jump.  Maybe it's a bug on this
 end,
 but it would make more sent to me if you have to hold down the spacebard
 to
 actually jump.  I could be mistaken, but that is what happened for me
 when
 I
 played.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:00 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 One thing about jumping I think people have failed to note is if you do
 space and left arrow the left arrow key will both jump you in to the
 air, and in that direction. They are not two Separate actions. The only
 time you want to do a space and up arrow is when you want to jump 
 strait
 up to grab something which is directly above you.



 Liam Erven wrote:
 There is also nothing wrong with pressing space and up to jump up.
 Seems
 logical to me.

 In all the consoll games I played jump sent you up in to the air, and
 then
 you could use arrows to move.  I can't think of any games that does
 what
 monty does.  though, I could be forgetting one.  Does anyone remember
 any?



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Wil James
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:20 PM
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Not sure if anybody else brought this up, but if you hold down the left or
right arrow keys and press the space bar you die.
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar prepares
you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty seconds, then hit
an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and I'm sure it shall be
squashed in due time.
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From: Liam Erven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 when jumping.  from what I've seen, you can press the space bar, and then
 tap an arrow of your choice and still jump.  Maybe it's a bug on this end,
 but it would make more sent to me if you have to hold down the spacebard
 to
 actually jump.  I could be mistaken, but that is what happened for me when
 I
 played.

 - Original Message - 
 From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:00 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 One thing about jumping I think people have failed to note is if you do
 space and left arrow the left arrow key will both jump you in to the
 air, and in that direction. They are not two Separate actions. The only
 time you want to do a space and up arrow is when you want to jump strait
 up to grab something which is directly above you.



 Liam Erven wrote:
 There is also nothing wrong with pressing space and up to jump up. Seems
 logical to me.

 In all the consoll games I played jump sent you up in to the air, and
 then
 you could use arrows to move.  I can't think of any games that does what
 monty does.  though, I could be forgetting one.  Does anyone remember
 any?



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, Liam.
No that is not a bug, but actually the way the game currently works. I 
am not using DirectX DirectInput, but actually Windows keyboard events.
The keyboard events don't allow for such combos naturally so I had to 
cobble it together in the way it was done. That ssaid I am looking for 
ways to improve the interface for this.


Liam Erven wrote:
 whefn jumping.  from what I've seen, you can press the space bar, and then 
 tap an arrow of your choice and still jump.  Maybe it's a bug on this end, 
 but it would make more sent to me if you have to hold down the spacebard to 
 actually jump.  I could be mistaken, but that is what happened for me when I 
 played.
   


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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi.
Technically, that is not a bug, but I am looking for ways to reform the 
jumping. How about just jump by pressing space? And it will jump in the 
direction you are facing?


Brandon Cole wrote:
 That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar prepares 
 you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty seconds, then hit 
 an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and I'm sure it shall be 
 squashed in due time.
   


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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Brandon Cole
I like that idea. That way, you could jump in the direction you're running a 
bit easier. You could also add in two extra keys which will allow you to 
face a certain direction without taking a step in that direction. This would 
be lovely if you were, say, on a ledge. Haha.
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 Technically, that is not a bug, but I am looking for ways to reform the
 jumping. How about just jump by pressing space? And it will jump in the
 direction you are facing?


 Brandon Cole wrote:
 That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar 
 prepares
 you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty seconds, then 
 hit
 an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and I'm sure it shall be
 squashed in due time.



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Sarah
Yeah that might be good. a turning key stroke if that's accurate.
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I like that idea. That way, you could jump in the direction you're running a
bit easier. You could also add in two extra keys which will allow you to
face a certain direction without taking a step in that direction. This would
be lovely if you were, say, on a ledge. Haha.
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Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 Technically, that is not a bug, but I am looking for ways to reform the
 jumping. How about just jump by pressing space? And it will jump in the
 direction you are facing?


 Brandon Cole wrote:
 That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar
 prepares
 you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty seconds, then
 hit
 an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and I'm sure it shall be
 squashed in due time.



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, all.
Do keep in mind the keyboard handling I am using doesn't allow for allot 
of keyboard combos as I'm using the Window Events and not DirectInput. I 
found DirectInput to flaky for testing so I switched to standard Window 
key bindings for the moment.
So the way I see it simply walk in the direction you want, and then jump 
using space if I use it that way. Generally, speaking I can't think of a 
case where you would not want to jump in the direction you were already 
facing.


Sarah wrote:
 Yeah that might be good. a turning key stroke if that's accurate.
   


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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Ryan Strunk
Tom,

In most old school games, there really wasn't a restriction on a pattern of
jumping, except for your height. When playing Mario, you could say jump to
the right, then hold down left as you reached the highpoint of the jump, and
theoretically land right back where you started. Not really realistic, but
definitely classic. You could also jump straight up by pressing the jump
button, but then tap right and move slightly to the right. That was the way
James put it in originally, but as I haven't played the demo yet, I can't
comment on which is better--your method, or his.

Ryan
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

Hi.
Technically, that is not a bug, but I am looking for ways to reform the
jumping. How about just jump by pressing space? And it will jump in the
direction you are facing?


Brandon Cole wrote:
 That is indeed correct, Liam. Right now, it is as if the space bar 
 prepares you for a jump. You could hit the space bar, wait thirty 
 seconds, then hit an arrow key, and you'll jump. Tis a bug, I say, and 
 I'm sure it shall be squashed in due time.
   


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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Kellie and Lady J
I did notice that. I have done it both ways. I either press space, then the 
arrow of choice, or space and the arrow combination. smiles
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From: Liam Erven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 when jumping.  from what I've seen, you can press the space bar, and then
 tap an arrow of your choice and still jump.  Maybe it's a bug on this end,
 but it would make more sent to me if you have to hold down the spacebard 
 to
 actually jump.  I could be mistaken, but that is what happened for me when 
 I
 played.

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 Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:00 PM
 Subject: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.


 Hi.
 One thing about jumping I think people have failed to note is if you do
 space and left arrow the left arrow key will both jump you in to the
 air, and in that direction. They are not two Separate actions. The only
 time you want to do a space and up arrow is when you want to jump strait
 up to grab something which is directly above you.



 Liam Erven wrote:
 There is also nothing wrong with pressing space and up to jump up. Seems
 logical to me.

 In all the consoll games I played jump sent you up in to the air, and
 then
 you could use arrows to move.  I can't think of any games that does what
 monty does.  though, I could be forgetting one.  Does anyone remember
 any?



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Re: [Audyssey] Monty jumping.

2006-06-24 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, Ryan.
As I have stated so many times today James North was using DirectInput 
in Monty. I am not do to technical problems with DX DirectInput. As a 
solution for the moment I am using standard keyboard commands via the 
Windows OnKeyDown Event. This doesn't allow for quite the same ability 
of DX DirectInput.
What I am gathering from end users they really want a more classic hit 
space to jump up, and left or right to change direction approach.While 
the key is down move the player. Well, this is going to be a massive 
reworking of Input as well as jumping to fix this one, and won't likely 
come out in the first patch.




Ryan Strunk wrote:
 Tom,

 In most old school games, there really wasn't a restriction on a pattern of
 jumping, except for your height. When playing Mario, you could say jump to
 the right, then hold down left as you reached the highpoint of the jump, and
 theoretically land right back where you started. Not really realistic, but
 definitely classic. You could also jump straight up by pressing the jump
 button, but then tap right and move slightly to the right. That was the way
 James put it in originally, but as I haven't played the demo yet, I can't
 comment on which is better--your method, or his.

 Ryan
   


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