Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Dark, All I can say is such a braille display would rock. I know one of the things I like about the GMA Engine is you can braille maps of the levels in Shades of Doom, Packman Talks, etc to get an idea of how the level is laid out. Plus figure out where you are and where you've been. I'd love to have a braille display with at least 80 columns and 60 rows so that I could view a textual map in computer braille. Unfortunately, a decent 80 cell display costs as much as a car which is impractical for most people who don't get one through their vocational rehab center. I'd imagine a braille display that could show a full page of text would be outrageously expensive. So don't see that happening anytime soon. As faras speed goes you have a point. I usually have Eloquence cranked up to about450 words a minute. There is no way on earth I could read that fast in braille. However, its a personal choice if someone wants to have that kind of speed or slow down a bit and read it themselves. Cheers! On 8/5/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: I'll also add that for text rpgs, interactive fiction, brouser games etc, reading text in braille would just feel far too slow to mne these days, compared to my usual reading speed with a screen reader. I do see a use for braille displays, but only when the the technology changes so that a braille display could provide a large, tactile veiw of something. Imagine playing a game like castaways or time of conflict with a fully tactile map you could feel the units move on? I here such things are in developement, but I've never seen one up to now. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Nick, Welcome to the list, and I only say that because its normal and not because I'm a moderator. However, I wish to make a suggestion. How about implementing sounds for the game so that people can play without using a Braille display: since I've never owned one and have no plans to do so in the future, I wouldn't be able to play the game, as far as I can tell, even in the near future. Just saying. Hope this is helpful, and if I can be of any further assistance reguarding finding of new games or catching up as it were, or even just to discuss the possibilities of sound implementation (I am sort of a hobbiest sound designer myself, in a broad sense of the expression), then feel free to email me offlist. Best of luck and kind regards, Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nick Adamson Sent: 02 August 2012 20:46 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5177 - Release Date: 08/04/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Ben. I know this sort of game has been tried in audio with out much success, trying to show the moving the block around isn't hard to show in audio but trying to show the blocks already dropped is really hard to do in a way that is quick enough and still be fun. also part of the purpose of the game is to encourage the use of braille. thanks. Nick Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 07:38, Ben gamehead...@aol.co.uk wrote: Hi Nick, Welcome to the list, and I only say that because its normal and not because I'm a moderator. However, I wish to make a suggestion. How about implementing sounds for the game so that people can play without using a Braille display: since I've never owned one and have no plans to do so in the future, I wouldn't be able to play the game, as far as I can tell, even in the near future. Just saying. Hope this is helpful, and if I can be of any further assistance reguarding finding of new games or catching up as it were, or even just to discuss the possibilities of sound implementation (I am sort of a hobbiest sound designer myself, in a broad sense of the expression), then feel free to email me offlist. Best of luck and kind regards, Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nick Adamson Sent: 02 August 2012 20:46 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5177 - Release Date: 08/04/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Nick what happened to flight commander. will we see it or not. At 08:45 p.m. 2/08/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
not to mention displays are quite expensive even the handheld notebook units are costly over here. I won't probably ever own one I would like one however. At 07:38 a.m. 5/08/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi Nick, Welcome to the list, and I only say that because its normal and not because I'm a moderator. However, I wish to make a suggestion. How about implementing sounds for the game so that people can play without using a Braille display: since I've never owned one and have no plans to do so in the future, I wouldn't be able to play the game, as far as I can tell, even in the near future. Just saying. Hope this is helpful, and if I can be of any further assistance reguarding finding of new games or catching up as it were, or even just to discuss the possibilities of sound implementation (I am sort of a hobbiest sound designer myself, in a broad sense of the expression), then feel free to email me offlist. Best of luck and kind regards, Ben. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nick Adamson Sent: 02 August 2012 20:46 To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5177 - Release Date: 08/04/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi sean, I think i've still got the code some where so you mever know but i dout it. it was written a long time ago and looking back the code is pretty rubish, it would probably need completely rewriting and from what i;ve been reading there are some better alternative options out there now Thanks. Nick Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 12:14, shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick what happened to flight commander. will we see it or not. At 08:45 p.m. 2/08/2012 +0100, you wrote: Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Is this going to be like the flight sim you dropped, because you was done with school? or is this one for real? At 03:45 PM 8/2/2012, you wrote: Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
And that sort of comment is why I stopped wanting to write software in my spare time. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 15:24, Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Is this going to be like the flight sim you dropped, because you was done with school? or is this one for real? At 03:45 PM 8/2/2012, you wrote: Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Nick, Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. No one has the right to blame you for having changing priorities or life circumstances, especially if that no one has never released an accessible game for the blind community himself. You never took a pre-order, and you never released a public demo you didn't finish. Do what makes you happy. If that's programming accessible games, you have the support of 100% of the community--even the vocal ones who like to bring up past projects. After all, it's not as though they won't play your game; they just want to make some noise in the meantime. You have a fine idea for a project which has the potential to break new ground in accessible gaming. Don't let anyone diminish that. All the best, Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nick Adamson Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:32 AM To: Trouble Cc: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. And that sort of comment is why I stopped wanting to write software in my spare time. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 15:24, Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Is this going to be like the flight sim you dropped, because you was done with school? or is this one for real? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Nick, I for one am looking forward to seeing what you can put together. I love the idea of a Braille tetris. As for folks like the one below, I'd try to ignore them. Some people just need to rattle cages. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nick Adamson Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 10:32 AM To: Trouble Cc: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. And that sort of comment is why I stopped wanting to write software in my spare time. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 15:24, Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Is this going to be like the flight sim you dropped, because you was done with school? or is this one for real? At 03:45 PM 8/2/2012, you wrote: Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thanks I think dotris is worth per-sewing I won't be forcing anyone to play it. Nick. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 22:46, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. No one has the right to blame you for having changing priorities or life circumstances, especially if that no one has never released an accessible game for the blind community himself. You never took a pre-order, and you never released a public demo you didn't finish. Do what makes you happy. If that's programming accessible games, you have the support of 100% of the community--even the vocal ones who like to bring up past projects. After all, it's not as though they won't play your game; they just want to make some noise in the meantime. You have a fine idea for a project which has the potential to break new ground in accessible gaming. Don't let anyone diminish that. All the best, Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nick Adamson Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 11:32 AM To: Trouble Cc: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. And that sort of comment is why I stopped wanting to write software in my spare time. Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 15:24, Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com wrote: Is this going to be like the flight sim you dropped, because you was done with school? or is this one for real? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Nick, Sadly those sorts of comments are quite common in this community. Every game developer has had them at them one time or another and the best thing to do is ignore it and move on. There are certain people here that who just like to cause trouble, start an argument, or put people down for one reason or another. On 8/5/12, Nick Adamson n...@ndadamson.com wrote: And that sort of comment is why I stopped wanting to write software in my spare time. Sent from my iPhone --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Nick, Thankfully you're not developing a side scroller, arcade game, or FPS title, so you don't have to worry about that. Just because very little use has been made of Braille displays in the past 8 years doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a go. I would venture a guess that there are actually quite a few Braille displays out there. Rehab agencies purchase them for a lot of people here in the states, and some countries overseas--especially in Europe--will actually give free Braille displays to blind people. My wife and I own two between the two of us, and I have access to four more of them at work. Audio Tetris has been tried; it didn't work very well. Music audio Tetris has been tried; it didn't work very well either. The spatial implications of a tactile Tetris would be phenomenal to work with. I think you have a winner of an idea here. Good luck to you in your efforts. All the best, Ryan -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 10:38 PM To: Nick Adamson; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. Hi Nick, Most of the accessible games out there use speech and/or audio for feedback. The reason is that braille displays are extremely expensive,and most blind computer users don't own one. The other reason is that there has been a huge migration from text based gaming to real time audio gaming and in a lot of cases the action moves too fast to review the information via braille. Speech feedback is much much quicker in an arcade, FPS, or side-scroller so most accessible game developers don't bother with braille display support. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I'll also add that for text rpgs, interactive fiction, brouser games etc, reading text in braille would just feel far too slow to mne these days, compared to my usual reading speed with a screen reader. I do see a use for braille displays, but only when the the technology changes so that a braille display could provide a large, tactile veiw of something. Imagine playing a game like castaways or time of conflict with a fully tactile map you could feel the units move on? I here such things are in developement, but I've never seen one up to now. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Nick Adamson n...@ndadamson.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 4:38 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. Hi Nick, Most of the accessible games out there use speech and/or audio for feedback. The reason is that braille displays are extremely expensive,and most blind computer users don't own one. The other reason is that there has been a huge migration from text based gaming to real time audio gaming and in a lot of cases the action moves too fast to review the information via braille. Speech feedback is much much quicker in an arcade, FPS, or side-scroller so most accessible game developers don't bother with braille display support. Cheers! On 8/2/12, Nick Adamson n...@ndadamson.com wrote: Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Thomas. I understand that most of us don't have access to a braille display but some do and most audio games dont enable death blind players to get involved. Also I'm not using the display to show braille in its normal format, I'm using the display more like a screen with moving shapes and representations of they playing area. The reason I asked if braille displays have been used in accessible games before is I wanted to see weather Dotris is going to be as unique as I think it is going to be. I'm very aware that if I was trying to make any money out of this restricting my user base to those that have access to a braille display wouldn't be a good idea but this is more about the programming challenge and the chance to do something a little bit unusual as well as raising a bit of money for charity. I'm also trying in my own small way to encourage the use of braille, a skill I worry that a lot of blind people, including myself at one point in my life, think to be a completely antiquated and pointless skill when so many things now speak to us. A view I now disagree with. thanks Nick Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 04:38, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, Most of the accessible games out there use speech and/or audio for feedback. The reason is that braille displays are extremely expensive,and most blind computer users don't own one. The other reason is that there has been a huge migration from text based gaming to real time audio gaming and in a lot of cases the action moves too fast to review the information via braille. Speech feedback is much much quicker in an arcade, FPS, or side-scroller so most accessible game developers don't bother with braille display support. Cheers! On 8/2/12, Nick Adamson n...@ndadamson.com wrote: Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Nick, I would be happy to help test for you, as time permits. I have Braille displays at home and at work, and I read Braille daily, for programming, and for both personal and professional reading. Unlike others, I find Braille to be of daily value, and generally prefer it over speech for things like programming, proofreading, and for nonfiction reading. I often lament that games don't come with Braille support. Although I tend to play card games, even those often don't have Braille support, and I get very tired of synthesized speech after a while. Nancy -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Nick Adamson Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 11:01 PM To: Thomas Ward Cc: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays. Hi Thomas. I understand that most of us don't have access to a braille display but some do and most audio games dont enable death blind players to get involved. Also I'm not using the display to show braille in its normal format, I'm using the display more like a screen with moving shapes and representations of they playing area. The reason I asked if braille displays have been used in accessible games before is I wanted to see weather Dotris is going to be as unique as I think it is going to be. I'm very aware that if I was trying to make any money out of this restricting my user base to those that have access to a braille display wouldn't be a good idea but this is more about the programming challenge and the chance to do something a little bit unusual as well as raising a bit of money for charity. I'm also trying in my own small way to encourage the use of braille, a skill I worry that a lot of blind people, including myself at one point in my life, think to be a completely antiquated and pointless skill when so many things now speak to us. A view I now disagree with. thanks Nick Sent from my iPhone On 5 Aug 2012, at 04:38, Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, Most of the accessible games out there use speech and/or audio for feedback. The reason is that braille displays are extremely expensive,and most blind computer users don't own one. The other reason is that there has been a huge migration from text based gaming to real time audio gaming and in a lot of cases the action moves too fast to review the information via braille. Speech feedback is much much quicker in an arcade, FPS, or side-scroller so most accessible game developers don't bother with braille display support. Cheers! On 8/2/12, Nick Adamson n...@ndadamson.com wrote: Hi All. My Name is Nick Adamson. Some of you may remember me from about 8 years ago on the old blind gamers list. I'm a blind software engineer who's been out of touch with the blind gaming community for ages but I'm back and after some software testers for a new game I'm working on. For quite some time I've been wondering if it would be possible to write a Tetris like game but played on a Braille display. A month or so ago I stopped thinking about it and Started coding Dotris. This is a windows based game that I'm working on in the little spare time I've got. So if you've tested software before and enjoyed the opportunity to shape the direction of the game or have never done game testing but would like to give it a go then I want to here from you. For now I'm looking for a smallish group of people, You must have a Braille display of at leased 12 characters, a windows XP PC or better, confidence in using the computer and a couple of hours of spare time. If you want to get involved then please send me details of which make model and size Braille display you have and which version of windows and screen reader your using along with your email address. Please send the details to me using the contact us link at www.ndadamson.com. I want to keep the list of testers relatively small and manageable but still test on the widest range of software and hardware possible. this means I may not ask everyone I here from this time. I'm also planning to release the game as donation-ware. The idea is that, once complete, the software can be downloaded at no charge but the user will be strongly encouraged to make a donation of what ever they think the game is worth to a charity I'm going to support. I've not yet decided which charity but am looking in to those that promote the learning and use of Braille. with this in mind there isn't going to be any payment for testers made available, just my gratitude, credits in the documentation and the opportunity to work on a pretty unique game. I've not been around for ages, are there many games that use a Braille display as the main feedback method? Thanks for your time. Nick. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to
Re: [Audyssey] N A Soft is back and I'm looking for some testers with Braille displays.
Hi Ryan, Agreed. I didn't mean to indicate that this shouldn't be tried. I merely wanted to point out that not everyone has a braille display and the tendency has been up until now to focus on audio output. That said, I've been thinking about writing some text based games myself where I could use a braille display if desired. Support for braille displays is something that has been extremely lacking here, and there are times such as now, when I get up in the middle of the night, and don't want to disturb anyone else by turning on my speakers or having my headphones on too loud so braille becomes a very nice interface for reading, writing e-mails, or playing text adventures, etc in the middle of the night. On 8/5/12, Ryan Strunk ryan.str...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nick, Thankfully you're not developing a side scroller, arcade game, or FPS title, so you don't have to worry about that. Just because very little use has been made of Braille displays in the past 8 years doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a go. I would venture a guess that there are actually quite a few Braille displays out there. Rehab agencies purchase them for a lot of people here in the states, and some countries overseas--especially in Europe--will actually give free Braille displays to blind people. My wife and I own two between the two of us, and I have access to four more of them at work. Audio Tetris has been tried; it didn't work very well. Music audio Tetris has been tried; it didn't work very well either. The spatial implications of a tactile Tetris would be phenomenal to work with. I think you have a winner of an idea here. Good luck to you in your efforts. All the best, Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
