Re: [Audyssey] thoughts on posts to the list and to Audyssey magazine - Re: Important Notice For All List Members
It is really very simple. If you can't be arsed to make your message clear and easy to read, why should I bother trying. Unclear writing indicates unclear thinking, and in my world of limited time, I am only going to bother with someone who makes a good faith effort to communicate. If that's arrogance, so be it, but my time is valuable. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Shadow Dragon Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 2:04 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] thoughts on posts to the list and to Audyssey magazine - Re: Important Notice For All List Members I think both sides are at fault here. It would be nice if spelling and grammar were taking more under consideration, but I don't understand the complaints about messages being hard to read and understand. I have no problem at all understanding even the most horribly typed messages, I even use translation services to do some things that make some messages on here look like professional grade documents. It seems to me that if you can't understand something even if it's badly written, you have no right to complain because it isn't like it takes any extra skill or adjustment to figure things out. If anything I just find it arrogant. Not everything will ever be perfectly clear and easy to read, but complaining about not being able to understand it, in my opinion, makes people look just as bad. -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:59 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] thoughts on posts to the list and to Audyssey magazine - Re: Important Notice For All List Members Hi Charles, I am in full agreement with you on this point. I understand in cases where English isn't a person's native language where they make grammatical and spelling errors in their posts. However, the irony is that I know of many people on this list and several other lists that are not native English speakers and there spelling and grammar are almost textbook perfect where native English speakers who should certainly know better have the most spelling and grammar errors of all. I don't know if it is the fault of the education system, weather or not the people in question don't care, or there is some type of mental disability involved but I can't help but notice the fact I often delete a lot of posts simply because little to know attempt was made at clarity. If some people have difficulty making there day to day posts clear it is doubtful they will be able to construct an article or review of a better quality unless they seriously proofread and spell check their work Its not like I expect the post to be textbook perfect, but I do expect a reasonable attempt at spelling and proper punctuation if nothing else.. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] thoughts on posts to the list and to Audyssey magazine - Re: Important Notice For All List Members
Based on the content that Shaun and some others send in the form of posts to the list, I see why they don't submit articles to the magazine. They would probably be just as unreadable. It would take Ron a lot of time and effort to get their attempted message across to readers. There are some posts that I automatically delete without even reading, because I know their lack of understandability. This is a shame, because they might have something of value to contribute, but if it cannot be at least proofread and checked for spelling through the use of a free and easily installed spell checker before it is sent, I don't feel it is worth bothering with. For those who send such messages to the list, if your problem isn't dealt with, or you don't get answers to your questions or concerns, take this into consideration. You will get better results if you can be understood, and it is not hard to do. Unfortunately, if you write as if you were uneducated, people will think of you as such, whether it is true or not. You are, right or not, judged by what you produce. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Notice For All List Members Hi Ron, I hear you there. Input garbage output garbage. Input a gem output a gem. As the magazine has always been about submissions it is as good as those submissions. If Shaun and some others feel the Audyssey Magazine has been going down hill in quality then perhaps we need to constructively encourage the community to write better articles. On 3/7/13, Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca wrote: One can only work with what one gets. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] thoughts on posts to the list and to Audyssey magazine - Re: Important Notice For All List Members
I think both sides are at fault here. It would be nice if spelling and grammar were taking more under consideration, but I don't understand the complaints about messages being hard to read and understand. I have no problem at all understanding even the most horribly typed messages, I even use translation services to do some things that make some messages on here look like professional grade documents. It seems to me that if you can't understand something even if it's badly written, you have no right to complain because it isn't like it takes any extra skill or adjustment to figure things out. If anything I just find it arrogant. Not everything will ever be perfectly clear and easy to read, but complaining about not being able to understand it, in my opinion, makes people look just as bad. -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 10:59 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] thoughts on posts to the list and to Audyssey magazine - Re: Important Notice For All List Members Hi Charles, I am in full agreement with you on this point. I understand in cases where English isn't a person's native language where they make grammatical and spelling errors in their posts. However, the irony is that I know of many people on this list and several other lists that are not native English speakers and there spelling and grammar are almost textbook perfect where native English speakers who should certainly know better have the most spelling and grammar errors of all. I don't know if it is the fault of the education system, weather or not the people in question don't care, or there is some type of mental disability involved but I can't help but notice the fact I often delete a lot of posts simply because little to know attempt was made at clarity. If some people have difficulty making there day to day posts clear it is doubtful they will be able to construct an article or review of a better quality unless they seriously proofread and spell check their work Its not like I expect the post to be textbook perfect, but I do expect a reasonable attempt at spelling and proper punctuation if nothing else.. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] thoughts on posts to the list and to Audyssey magazine - Re: Important Notice For All List Members
well I find it easer interestingly enough to do audio rather than writing. At 05:59 AM 3/8/2013, you wrote: Based on the content that Shaun and some others send in the form of posts to the list, I see why they don't submit articles to the magazine. They would probably be just as unreadable. It would take Ron a lot of time and effort to get their attempted message across to readers. There are some posts that I automatically delete without even reading, because I know their lack of understandability. This is a shame, because they might have something of value to contribute, but if it cannot be at least proofread and checked for spelling through the use of a free and easily installed spell checker before it is sent, I don't feel it is worth bothering with. For those who send such messages to the list, if your problem isn't dealt with, or you don't get answers to your questions or concerns, take this into consideration. You will get better results if you can be understood, and it is not hard to do. Unfortunately, if you write as if you were uneducated, people will think of you as such, whether it is true or not. You are, right or not, judged by what you produce. --- Shepherds are the best beasts, but Labs are a close second. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Notice For All List Members Hi Ron, I hear you there. Input garbage output garbage. Input a gem output a gem. As the magazine has always been about submissions it is as good as those submissions. If Shaun and some others feel the Audyssey Magazine has been going down hill in quality then perhaps we need to constructively encourage the community to write better articles. On 3/7/13, Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca wrote: One can only work with what one gets. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
