Re: [Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility
Hi Che, Thank you very much for clearing the air here. I agree with you that we should be glad that we have the developers we have and trying to compare one game developer to another like this is to say the least a bit rude and insulting. Just because a person doesn't like a certain developers games doesn't make a developer a bad developer or small potatoes. I'm with you that Jim Kitchen has been in the business a long time, and has more games than any other developer out here. When you look at all of his text to speech games, early Windows games, plus his dos games he has written more, done more, for this comunity than anyone. To put him at the bottom of the list of accessible game developers is a bit insulting i would think. As far as putting me near the top of the list I appreciate the support, but I don't consider myself any better or any worse than anyone else. True I have had formal programming training, I know what I am doing, but that doesn't make me better than anyone else. I've had plenty of issues dealing with time, money, copyright entanglements, and so on that has effectively prevented my lift off. So as a result I have had something of a really really slow start despite my education and training. Anyway, I'm glad someone spoke their mind. I was going to say something about this myself, but you beat me to it. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility
I did not mean to be insulting or rood. At 07:02 p.m. 19/08/2009, you wrote: Hi Che, Thank you very much for clearing the air here. I agree with you that we should be glad that we have the developers we have and trying to compare one game developer to another like this is to say the least a bit rude and insulting. Just because a person doesn't like a certain developers games doesn't make a developer a bad developer or small potatoes. I'm with you that Jim Kitchen has been in the business a long time, and has more games than any other developer out here. When you look at all of his text to speech games, early Windows games, plus his dos games he has written more, done more, for this comunity than anyone. To put him at the bottom of the list of accessible game developers is a bit insulting i would think. As far as putting me near the top of the list I appreciate the support, but I don't consider myself any better or any worse than anyone else. True I have had formal programming training, I know what I am doing, but that doesn't make me better than anyone else. I've had plenty of issues dealing with time, money, copyright entanglements, and so on that has effectively prevented my lift off. So as a result I have had something of a really really slow start despite my education and training. Anyway, I'm glad someone spoke their mind. I was going to say something about this myself, but you beat me to it. Smile. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility
Hi Shaun, I know, but it can be taken that way. Che's point was valid all the same. The fact you put him low on the list of developers when he has created four games, has been doing a lot of new and interesting things, doesn't sit well with a lot of people. Jim Kitchen may not be the best programmer among us,but he still has made a huge impact on the lives of many blind gamers. For several his board games, card games, baseball, football, and other games is all they want. Even though someone like me isn't necessarily completely satisfied by the games doesn't make his games bad or make Jim a bad developer. Only my interests lie in a different type or style of game. shaun everiss wrote: I did not mean to be insulting or rood. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility
true tom. I did not mean to compair anyone, in fact I am sure I have missed some. I based the comparason on game size mostly. as I said without the small games then we wouldn't have the big ones. We have good small games like the experimental project stuff and jim's free stuff along with lworks free stuff which keep us going till pcs, gma, lworks with comercial stuff although I know liam works now, draconis, soundrts, entombed and other things get big releases out whenever that will be. I know we may never be as good as the sighted people. arcade, racing and other such games take less time to produce than the bigger 3d fps and other games its just the way it is. I don't except that it will always be this however. eg we will never get the mainstream companies making accessible games. Ok, its like saying we will never upgrade to another version of windows. Ok so maybe we won't get mainstream companies to make games but I am sure we will get close. We have directx, xna, well one game, thats a start. dot net 1 and 3 games, java games. We have small games big games, etc. we have some online games to. we have most things our sighted peers use. The only 2 things we don't have are continous releases of games, impossible that it is for such a small community and the market, etc. and 2. massive online multiplayer servers, which I personally don't care for. I know someone that got rsi from playing on these things online games that is, so I really don't care for online servers where you can go for hours and hours. so good we don't have anything really large or at least not everything is. I am sure we will improve. At 07:21 p.m. 19/08/2009, you wrote: Hi Shaun, I know, but it can be taken that way. Che's point was valid all the same. The fact you put him low on the list of developers when he has created four games, has been doing a lot of new and interesting things, doesn't sit well with a lot of people. Jim Kitchen may not be the best programmer among us,but he still has made a huge impact on the lives of many blind gamers. For several his board games, card games, baseball, football, and other games is all they want. Even though someone like me isn't necessarily completely satisfied by the games doesn't make his games bad or make Jim a bad developer. Only my interests lie in a different type or style of game. shaun everiss wrote: I did not mean to be insulting or rood. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility
Jims Golf has become one game me and my son has played over and over again; I also like the baseball game he has, others like Monopoly me and my sighted family has played extensively.. RR is absolutely in it's own league to say the least; I was totally into Tomb until I downloaded it and it wasn't compatible with my lap, hopefully I'll be able to play that one once it's available for Vista machines.. - Original Message - From: Che c...@blindadrenaline.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility Sean wrote: the major devs are or rather companies are gma, pcs, usa, dracoent, lworks, bpc. there are minor devs, kitchensinc, and maybe those at audiogames.net. ma-dy, and maybe jayson at entombed, jeanluc on soundrts, maybe a couple others, the guy that did night of parasite although who knows. everyone else is just hmm not on the list of relyable devs. end quote Hi sean, Nothing personal, but I think what you stated here about the devs is total crap. To say Jims games are small potatoes and that he isn't as important as the folks releasing commercial games is just asinine. Last I checked, Jim has more solid titles out there than any of the other developers, and most of them combined. And if his games haven't been colectively played more than any other developers out there, I'll eat my shorts. And to say USA games is top tier and blind adrenaline is below them is ridiculous. Nothing against Thomas, but blind adrenaline has 4 commercial releases out there now, all making money, all running with over 95 percent success rate on the systems and all with pretty much unanimous praise from the players. As of this writing, USA games hasn't released a single commercial title, although one has been imminent for quite a while. Again, no slam on thomas' work, what I've seen of it shows he knows what he is doing, but I don't know what standard you could possibly be going by to rate what he has done over Kitchens Inc and Blind Adrenaline simulations. Rail Racer was voted best game of 2007, and you don't even mention Blind Adrenaline in your little list. Most of the time I just disregard your drivel, but these posts needs some serious correction. If you are going to deem yourself worthy of making comparisons between game companies, you need to show you half way know what you are talking about, or be deemed unable to post a solid opinion. Sorry if this comes across harsh, but I am proud of Blind Adrenaline's accomplishments, as I am sure Jim is of his, ditto for Jean Luc with Sound RTS, and rightly so, and to be judged second or third tier unjustly is just ridiculous Out. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility
Not to mention Jim is very helpful when asking him for any assistance.. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility true tom. I did not mean to compair anyone, in fact I am sure I have missed some. I based the comparason on game size mostly. as I said without the small games then we wouldn't have the big ones. We have good small games like the experimental project stuff and jim's free stuff along with lworks free stuff which keep us going till pcs, gma, lworks with comercial stuff although I know liam works now, draconis, soundrts, entombed and other things get big releases out whenever that will be. I know we may never be as good as the sighted people. arcade, racing and other such games take less time to produce than the bigger 3d fps and other games its just the way it is. I don't except that it will always be this however. eg we will never get the mainstream companies making accessible games. Ok, its like saying we will never upgrade to another version of windows. Ok so maybe we won't get mainstream companies to make games but I am sure we will get close. We have directx, xna, well one game, thats a start. dot net 1 and 3 games, java games. We have small games big games, etc. we have some online games to. we have most things our sighted peers use. The only 2 things we don't have are continous releases of games, impossible that it is for such a small community and the market, etc. and 2. massive online multiplayer servers, which I personally don't care for. I know someone that got rsi from playing on these things online games that is, so I really don't care for online servers where you can go for hours and hours. so good we don't have anything really large or at least not everything is. I am sure we will improve. At 07:21 p.m. 19/08/2009, you wrote: Hi Shaun, I know, but it can be taken that way. Che's point was valid all the same. The fact you put him low on the list of developers when he has created four games, has been doing a lot of new and interesting things, doesn't sit well with a lot of people. Jim Kitchen may not be the best programmer among us,but he still has made a huge impact on the lives of many blind gamers. For several his board games, card games, baseball, football, and other games is all they want. Even though someone like me isn't necessarily completely satisfied by the games doesn't make his games bad or make Jim a bad developer. Only my interests lie in a different type or style of game. shaun everiss wrote: I did not mean to be insulting or rood. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Comparison crap: was :Re: mainstream game accessibility
Sean wrote: the major devs are or rather companies are gma, pcs, usa, dracoent, lworks, bpc. there are minor devs, kitchensinc, and maybe those at audiogames.net. ma-dy, and maybe jayson at entombed, jeanluc on soundrts, maybe a couple others, the guy that did night of parasite although who knows. everyone else is just hmm not on the list of relyable devs. end quote Hi sean, Nothing personal, but I think what you stated here about the devs is total crap. To say Jims games are small potatoes and that he isn't as important as the folks releasing commercial games is just asinine. Last I checked, Jim has more solid titles out there than any of the other developers, and most of them combined. And if his games haven't been colectively played more than any other developers out there, I'll eat my shorts. And to say USA games is top tier and blind adrenaline is below them is ridiculous. Nothing against Thomas, but blind adrenaline has 4 commercial releases out there now, all making money, all running with over 95 percent success rate on the systems and all with pretty much unanimous praise from the players. As of this writing, USA games hasn't released a single commercial title, although one has been imminent for quite a while. Again, no slam on thomas' work, what I've seen of it shows he knows what he is doing, but I don't know what standard you could possibly be going by to rate what he has done over Kitchens Inc and Blind Adrenaline simulations. Rail Racer was voted best game of 2007, and you don't even mention Blind Adrenaline in your little list. Most of the time I just disregard your drivel, but these posts needs some serious correction. If you are going to deem yourself worthy of making comparisons between game companies, you need to show you half way know what you are talking about, or be deemed unable to post a solid opinion. Sorry if this comes across harsh, but I am proud of Blind Adrenaline's accomplishments, as I am sure Jim is of his, ditto for Jean Luc with Sound RTS, and rightly so, and to be judged second or third tier unjustly is just ridiculous Out. Che --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
