Re: [Audyssey] Using a Little Initiative
A prime example of this is how soon help was being asked for about the flight simulator. I haven't tried tried it, and currently don't have time to do so, but have people given up so soon after downloading it? I know there have been questions regarding registration and other stuff, but shouldn't those have gone to the technical support Email for the game, if there is one, before being sent to the list? And all of these "how do I do this or that" questions so soon? --- Shepherds are the best beasts! - Original Message - From: "Ryan Strunk" To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Using a Little Initiative I'm in complete agreement here. While we should be available to answer questions should someone get stuck on an issue, people should at least be willing to put forth an initial effort. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Using a Little Initiative Hi all, As this is increasingly becoming an issue on list I thought I would step in on the discussion as a moderator as well as a fellow list member. I think I need to spell out or clarify the point of this list. First, as the list description clearly states we are hear to discuss games that are accessible through accident or design. We provide help, hints, and offer open discussion on same. That does not mean, however, that we are to be a replacement for the game's documentation, the game's developer, or a replacement for the developer's technical support services. Although, list members may help with any or all of these issues we expect a little self-initiative from the person asking the question. For example, if you are going to ask a question like, "how do I register game x," you should at least consult the game's user documentation or check the developer's website for that information before asking the question on list. Asking such a question that has already been answered elsewhere is both a waist of our time and probably yours as well. Instead of waiting several minutes or maybe hours for someone to respond you could probably have had the answer sooner just by using a little self-initiative and looked up that information in the game's documentation or on the developer's website. Why should the list be expected to answer those kinds of questions when you already have that information at hand and available elsewhere? Another thing that gets some people annoyed is when a game is talked about on list for days, and then someone asks, "where do I get the game from?" Ummm...Seriously have you been paying attention? If you haven't the Audyssey list is archived, there is Google, etc. Plenty of resources to get the same information without asking the question and having people repeat a download address multiple times in one week just because someone can't or won't look it up in the internet resources available to him/her. I have to ask, "can you do anything for yourself, or do you have to be spoon fed everything?" To be blunt about it by not taking a little personal initiative, not trying to look up the answers yourself first, is just going to make some users of the list upset at you. Many of them, including myself, will see you as lazy and will not want to read or respond to your posts. Personally speaking, I feel there is no excuse for not reading a manual in full before coming on a list like this asking questions like "what command does this or that" or "how do I register the game" when the answer is right there in the manual. I am not only less likely to respond to that kind of question, but I often add that person to a mail filter to automatically be deleted from my inbox by default. Keep that in mind before you ask several questions like that as I'm sure I'm not alone in filtering my mail. Bottom line, I'm willing to help anyone with an honest question if I'm certain the person has tried to find an answer and couldn't find it. For example, finding a secret item in a game isn't likely to be in the manual, and if they really can't find it I'll give them a spoiler to help them locate it. If the person has a technical problem with a game that is not covered by the manual by all means I will help in anyway I can. However, I'm not going to spend my time answering several questions that I know can be easily answered by reading the documentation. I can usually tell who has or has not read the manual for game x.So if I choose to respond to a person asking a question I feel has not tried to look up the information elsewhere I refer them to the manual where they should have started to begin with. I know som
Re: [Audyssey] Using a Little Initiative
I'm in complete agreement here. While we should be available to answer questions should someone get stuck on an issue, people should at least be willing to put forth an initial effort. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:42 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Using a Little Initiative Hi all, As this is increasingly becoming an issue on list I thought I would step in on the discussion as a moderator as well as a fellow list member. I think I need to spell out or clarify the point of this list. First, as the list description clearly states we are hear to discuss games that are accessible through accident or design. We provide help, hints, and offer open discussion on same. That does not mean, however, that we are to be a replacement for the game's documentation, the game's developer, or a replacement for the developer's technical support services. Although, list members may help with any or all of these issues we expect a little self-initiative from the person asking the question. For example, if you are going to ask a question like, "how do I register game x," you should at least consult the game's user documentation or check the developer's website for that information before asking the question on list. Asking such a question that has already been answered elsewhere is both a waist of our time and probably yours as well. Instead of waiting several minutes or maybe hours for someone to respond you could probably have had the answer sooner just by using a little self-initiative and looked up that information in the game's documentation or on the developer's website. Why should the list be expected to answer those kinds of questions when you already have that information at hand and available elsewhere? Another thing that gets some people annoyed is when a game is talked about on list for days, and then someone asks, "where do I get the game from?" Ummm...Seriously have you been paying attention? If you haven't the Audyssey list is archived, there is Google, etc. Plenty of resources to get the same information without asking the question and having people repeat a download address multiple times in one week just because someone can't or won't look it up in the internet resources available to him/her. I have to ask, "can you do anything for yourself, or do you have to be spoon fed everything?" To be blunt about it by not taking a little personal initiative, not trying to look up the answers yourself first, is just going to make some users of the list upset at you. Many of them, including myself, will see you as lazy and will not want to read or respond to your posts. Personally speaking, I feel there is no excuse for not reading a manual in full before coming on a list like this asking questions like "what command does this or that" or "how do I register the game" when the answer is right there in the manual. I am not only less likely to respond to that kind of question, but I often add that person to a mail filter to automatically be deleted from my inbox by default. Keep that in mind before you ask several questions like that as I'm sure I'm not alone in filtering my mail. Bottom line, I'm willing to help anyone with an honest question if I'm certain the person has tried to find an answer and couldn't find it. For example, finding a secret item in a game isn't likely to be in the manual, and if they really can't find it I'll give them a spoiler to help them locate it. If the person has a technical problem with a game that is not covered by the manual by all means I will help in anyway I can. However, I'm not going to spend my time answering several questions that I know can be easily answered by reading the documentation. I can usually tell who has or has not read the manual for game x.So if I choose to respond to a person asking a question I feel has not tried to look up the information elsewhere I refer them to the manual where they should have started to begin with. I know some members get a bit upset when that happens, but seriously read the manual first. If you don't know where to download a game use something like Google. After all, that's what it is there for so use it. It saves everyone unnecessary time spent doing your own research for you. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail t
Re: [Audyssey] Using a Little Initiative
Thank you, Tom. That just about summed up all the views I would've liked to write... this list should be strictly about discussion. Sure that involves answering questions, but questions shouldn't extend to ones that can be answered somewhere else... At 07:42 PM 15/11/2010, you wrote: Hi all, As this is increasingly becoming an issue on list I thought I would step in on the discussion as a moderator as well as a fellow list member. I think I need to spell out or clarify the point of this list. First, as the list description clearly states we are hear to discuss games that are accessible through accident or design. We provide help, hints, and offer open discussion on same. That does not mean, however, that we are to be a replacement for the game's documentation, the game's developer, or a replacement for the developer's technical support services. Although, list members may help with any or all of these issues we expect a little self-initiative from the person asking the question. For example, if you are going to ask a question like, "how do I register game x," you should at least consult the game's user documentation or check the developer's website for that information before asking the question on list. Asking such a question that has already been answered elsewhere is both a waist of our time and probably yours as well. Instead of waiting several minutes or maybe hours for someone to respond you could probably have had the answer sooner just by using a little self-initiative and looked up that information in the game's documentation or on the developer's website. Why should the list be expected to answer those kinds of questions when you already have that information at hand and available elsewhere? Another thing that gets some people annoyed is when a game is talked about on list for days, and then someone asks, "where do I get the game from?" Ummm...Seriously have you been paying attention? If you haven't the Audyssey list is archived, there is Google, etc. Plenty of resources to get the same information without asking the question and having people repeat a download address multiple times in one week just because someone can't or won't look it up in the internet resources available to him/her. I have to ask, "can you do anything for yourself, or do you have to be spoon fed everything?" To be blunt about it by not taking a little personal initiative, not trying to look up the answers yourself first, is just going to make some users of the list upset at you. Many of them, including myself, will see you as lazy and will not want to read or respond to your posts. Personally speaking, I feel there is no excuse for not reading a manual in full before coming on a list like this asking questions like "what command does this or that" or "how do I register the game" when the answer is right there in the manual. I am not only less likely to respond to that kind of question, but I often add that person to a mail filter to automatically be deleted from my inbox by default. Keep that in mind before you ask several questions like that as I'm sure I'm not alone in filtering my mail. Bottom line, I'm willing to help anyone with an honest question if I'm certain the person has tried to find an answer and couldn't find it. For example, finding a secret item in a game isn't likely to be in the manual, and if they really can't find it I'll give them a spoiler to help them locate it. If the person has a technical problem with a game that is not covered by the manual by all means I will help in anyway I can. However, I'm not going to spend my time answering several questions that I know can be easily answered by reading the documentation. I can usually tell who has or has not read the manual for game x.So if I choose to respond to a person asking a question I feel has not tried to look up the information elsewhere I refer them to the manual where they should have started to begin with. I know some members get a bit upset when that happens, but seriously read the manual first. If you don't know where to download a game use something like Google. After all, that's what it is there for so use it. It saves everyone unnecessary time spent doing your own research for you. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
[Audyssey] Using a Little Initiative
Hi all, As this is increasingly becoming an issue on list I thought I would step in on the discussion as a moderator as well as a fellow list member. I think I need to spell out or clarify the point of this list. First, as the list description clearly states we are hear to discuss games that are accessible through accident or design. We provide help, hints, and offer open discussion on same. That does not mean, however, that we are to be a replacement for the game's documentation, the game's developer, or a replacement for the developer's technical support services. Although, list members may help with any or all of these issues we expect a little self-initiative from the person asking the question. For example, if you are going to ask a question like, "how do I register game x," you should at least consult the game's user documentation or check the developer's website for that information before asking the question on list. Asking such a question that has already been answered elsewhere is both a waist of our time and probably yours as well. Instead of waiting several minutes or maybe hours for someone to respond you could probably have had the answer sooner just by using a little self-initiative and looked up that information in the game's documentation or on the developer's website. Why should the list be expected to answer those kinds of questions when you already have that information at hand and available elsewhere? Another thing that gets some people annoyed is when a game is talked about on list for days, and then someone asks, "where do I get the game from?" Ummm...Seriously have you been paying attention? If you haven't the Audyssey list is archived, there is Google, etc. Plenty of resources to get the same information without asking the question and having people repeat a download address multiple times in one week just because someone can't or won't look it up in the internet resources available to him/her. I have to ask, "can you do anything for yourself, or do you have to be spoon fed everything?" To be blunt about it by not taking a little personal initiative, not trying to look up the answers yourself first, is just going to make some users of the list upset at you. Many of them, including myself, will see you as lazy and will not want to read or respond to your posts. Personally speaking, I feel there is no excuse for not reading a manual in full before coming on a list like this asking questions like "what command does this or that" or "how do I register the game" when the answer is right there in the manual. I am not only less likely to respond to that kind of question, but I often add that person to a mail filter to automatically be deleted from my inbox by default. Keep that in mind before you ask several questions like that as I'm sure I'm not alone in filtering my mail. Bottom line, I'm willing to help anyone with an honest question if I'm certain the person has tried to find an answer and couldn't find it. For example, finding a secret item in a game isn't likely to be in the manual, and if they really can't find it I'll give them a spoiler to help them locate it. If the person has a technical problem with a game that is not covered by the manual by all means I will help in anyway I can. However, I'm not going to spend my time answering several questions that I know can be easily answered by reading the documentation. I can usually tell who has or has not read the manual for game x.So if I choose to respond to a person asking a question I feel has not tried to look up the information elsewhere I refer them to the manual where they should have started to begin with. I know some members get a bit upset when that happens, but seriously read the manual first. If you don't know where to download a game use something like Google. After all, that's what it is there for so use it. It saves everyone unnecessary time spent doing your own research for you. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.