Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game?
Hi, Good point. I meant the programming would be easy, but yes the development environment for Symbian phones sucks accessibility wise. For that reason I would probably target those phones running Windows Mobile which is certainly easier to program software for from an accessibility standpoint. Pranav Lal wrote: Thomas, cakewalk. PL] True except that setting-up the development environment for Symbian at least would not and may be more problematical than the coding! http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game?
Hi Dark, Smile. I'm not exactly an expert when it comes to mobile devices either. One of those cases where I know just enough to have a passing conversation about them. Beyond that I don't have a very large working knowledge of them. Like many programmers my main area of expertees is developing software for Linux and Windows. dark wrote: Fair enough tom. I admit, i'm not overly familiar with mobile devices because as I said, I use my laptop for most mobile needs. While I have a mobile phone, it has no speech software at all, so I'm not overly familiar with that area of technology. Beware the Grue! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game?
that sounds like something we could ask braille soft to do. they already made it so you can use your own words in hangman etc by textfiles... - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game? Hi Dark, There is really no way to put Jim Kitchen's Trivia game on a hand-held device unless it runs Windows. It has a lot more problems than just requiring Sapi. All of Jim's games are writthen in Visual Basic 6 which is absolutely Windows specific. Since it was designed by Microsoft it should come as no surprise they have not licensed or made ports of the Visual Basic 6 runtime to Mac, Linux, Cimbion OS, etc. As a result it has no use outside of Windows software development. As far as your point about trivia games goes it wouldn't be difficult to create one for a smart phone, PDA, or similar device. Provided you have a screen reader on there like Talks writing the trivia game would be a cakewalk. dark wrote: also, I'm afraid that I don't particularly see the attraction of having a hand held trivia game. Not because I don't think trivia could be fun, but there are many accessible trivia games available already which you could run on a hand held. I'm not sure about Jim kitchins because of the sapi issue, but I believe those from 7-128 do, and using websites like freerice would be no trouble at all. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4333 (20090813) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game?
Fair enough tom. I admit, i'm not overly familiar with mobile devices because as I said, I use my laptop for most mobile needs. While I have a mobile phone, it has no speech software at all, so I'm not overly familiar with that area of technology. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game? Hi Dark, There is really no way to put Jim Kitchen's Trivia game on a hand-held device unless it runs Windows. It has a lot more problems than just requiring Sapi. All of Jim's games are writthen in Visual Basic 6 which is absolutely Windows specific. Since it was designed by Microsoft it should come as no surprise they have not licensed or made ports of the Visual Basic 6 runtime to Mac, Linux, Cimbion OS, etc. As a result it has no use outside of Windows software development. As far as your point about trivia games goes it wouldn't be difficult to create one for a smart phone, PDA, or similar device. Provided you have a screen reader on there like Talks writing the trivia game would be a cakewalk. dark wrote: also, I'm afraid that I don't particularly see the attraction of having a hand held trivia game. Not because I don't think trivia could be fun, but there are many accessible trivia games available already which you could run on a hand held. I'm not sure about Jim kitchins because of the sapi issue, but I believe those from 7-128 do, and using websites like freerice would be no trouble at all. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game?
Thomas, http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game?
Hi Dark, There is really no way to put Jim Kitchen's Trivia game on a hand-held device unless it runs Windows. It has a lot more problems than just requiring Sapi. All of Jim's games are writthen in Visual Basic 6 which is absolutely Windows specific. Since it was designed by Microsoft it should come as no surprise they have not licensed or made ports of the Visual Basic 6 runtime to Mac, Linux, Cimbion OS, etc. As a result it has no use outside of Windows software development. As far as your point about trivia games goes it wouldn't be difficult to create one for a smart phone, PDA, or similar device. Provided you have a screen reader on there like Talks writing the trivia game would be a cakewalk. dark wrote: also, I'm afraid that I don't particularly see the attraction of having a hand held trivia game. Not because I don't think trivia could be fun, but there are many accessible trivia games available already which you could run on a hand held. I'm not sure about Jim kitchins because of the sapi issue, but I believe those from 7-128 do, and using websites like freerice would be no trouble at all. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game?
also, I'm afraid that I don't particularly see the attraction of having a hand held trivia game. Not because I don't think trivia could be fun, but there are many accessible trivia games available already which you could run on a hand held. I'm not sure about Jim kitchins because of the sapi issue, but I believe those from 7-128 do, and using websites like freerice would be no trouble at all. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:32 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game? Hi, I extremely doubt it. For a couple of very good reasons. First, companies, Hasbro included, usually aren't too receptive when someone comes along asking for accessibility features. Especially, when those accessibility features will cost them lots of time and development. What you are in a sense asking them to do is throw away the product they have spent x amount of time and money researching and developing, rewrite the new firmware for that unit with text to speech support, create a new rom, and then sell an all new accessible version. Unless there is a really compelling reason to do so they are likely to tell you "forget it!" As far as someone else doing it that's just not likely either. I'm a skilled programmer, I assume they wrote the firmware in C++, have a vague idea how they created the trivia game, but the firmware is likely stored on a rom chip. In order to make this little unit talk I would have to create my own firmware for the unit, from scratch I might add, create a new rom chip, and replace the existing one with my own rom. This is some serious hardware and software engineering we are talking about. Nothing as simple or straight forward as installing Jaws or Window Eyes on your computer to make it talk. Totally new and different ball game here. HTH we are talking about. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Anyone thought of doing an accessible handheld trivia game?
Hi, I extremely doubt it. For a couple of very good reasons. First, companies, Hasbro included, usually aren't too receptive when someone comes along asking for accessibility features. Especially, when those accessibility features will cost them lots of time and development. What you are in a sense asking them to do is throw away the product they have spent x amount of time and money researching and developing, rewrite the new firmware for that unit with text to speech support, create a new rom, and then sell an all new accessible version. Unless there is a really compelling reason to do so they are likely to tell you "forget it!" As far as someone else doing it that's just not likely either. I'm a skilled programmer, I assume they wrote the firmware in C++, have a vague idea how they created the trivia game, but the firmware is likely stored on a rom chip. In order to make this little unit talk I would have to create my own firmware for the unit, from scratch I might add, create a new rom chip, and replace the existing one with my own rom. This is some serious hardware and software engineering we are talking about. Nothing as simple or straight forward as installing Jaws or Window Eyes on your computer to make it talk. Totally new and different ball game here. HTH we are talking about. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
