Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update includingquestionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day
Then again, they are his work, and he can do as he chooses, regardless of what we think he should do. Personally, I like the idea of selling the key generator and the other software. If I change computers due to a breakdown or an upgrade, I should be able to play the games on my new machine if it will allow the software to run. If keys are no longer sold or given, I should be able to generate my own. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update includingquestionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day I'm afraid I disagree phil on the selling of keygen software. That is okay while it's still being sold, however if as Justin did the software was sold for a limited time and then stopped you've effectively done the same thing in denying games to future gamers even on virtual machines etc. If Liam is not planning on updating the game to work on modern windows, either he needs to keep selling them with the proviso that you must install the vb6 dependencies to get them to work, or he needs to make them abandonware and allow key generation for free just as Thomas Westin did with terraformers or David greenwood did with Trek 2000. That is the only way to stop them falling off the map forever. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update includingquestionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day
Actually, the number of available games has nothing whatsoever to do with whether a game or a number of games made by a developer should become free for all to play. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update includingquestionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day Hi Dennis. You are certainly correct that Liam has ownership of the programs being their creator, however equally given the lack of size of the audio games community and the lack of games available, there is rather more impetus riding on each game than in a usual development setting. There are less than 10 available audio 2D side scrolling games, therefore the loss of one, especially one with the quality of sound design of superliam is quite a major blow to over all availability. This is why in the past developers when no longer able to maintain support or sale for their games made them abandonware and distributed a keygen program, and let someone else host the finished product. justin Dobemire last year abandoned his games and sold a key generator, however now that those are no longer available nobody who has not previously bought the games or the keygen will ever legally be able to play them. In many ways, it is almost more of a slap in the face to the community to say well nobody is ever playing these games again I agree that the authority rests with Liam, however given that he is playing with proportionaly such a large share of the available titles for access I do think he has some degree of responsability, or at least a duty of considderation to his customers, and indeed to future players of the game, if not on a legal, at least on an ethical level. justin dobemire followed a similar deicsion last year. he sold a keygen for his games, then closed his doors forever. This means other than the people who bought that keygen, nobody can ever legally play his games again or install them on another machine. This has understandably annoyed lots of people, and I don't want to see Liam making the same error. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update includingquestionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day
well aparently its been announced that after a lot of people emailed him saying that they don't mind, liam is going to make the games free in the next week or so. He didn't want to dissapoint people that had brought the games by making them free, but since a lot want it including me he will do so. I brought the games but due to email issue with him I have not really been able to get keys. so whatever. Aparently the reg system wwas a real pain in the rear, and they are old so. At 08:21 a.m. 8/09/2014, you wrote: Then again, they are his work, and he can do as he chooses, regardless of what we think he should do. Personally, I like the idea of selling the key generator and the other software. If I change computers due to a breakdown or an upgrade, I should be able to play the games on my new machine if it will allow the software to run. If keys are no longer sold or given, I should be able to generate my own. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Fwd: LWorks An update includingquestionsandanswersregarding Super Liam and Judgment day I'm afraid I disagree phil on the selling of keygen software. That is okay while it's still being sold, however if as Justin did the software was sold for a limited time and then stopped you've effectively done the same thing in denying games to future gamers even on virtual machines etc. If Liam is not planning on updating the game to work on modern windows, either he needs to keep selling them with the proviso that you must install the vb6 dependencies to get them to work, or he needs to make them abandonware and allow key generation for free just as Thomas Westin did with terraformers or David greenwood did with Trek 2000. That is the only way to stop them falling off the map forever. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
