Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-22 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
Hi Winfried, > [..] > > Spam bouncing is evil and often hits an innocent person > [..] > > others like me might see it different: > Spam discarding is evil and often hits an innocent person. > > Silently discarding a legal mail because of false spam-detection is > the worst case

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-22 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Florian Weimer wrote: > > You mean as with a failure response given to the SMTP DATA command? > > This is actually equally evil as the resulting bounce (i.e. a delivery > > failure notification, or a flood of them, once other MTAs have joined in a > > response to a mass

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Maciej W. Rozycki: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Florian Weimer wrote: > >> > Spam bouncing is evil and often hits an innocent person whose address has >> > been faked by the sender of spam, making the source of bounces not better >> > than the originator. >> >> I expect this to be an SMTP-level

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-22 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020, Florian Weimer wrote: > > Spam bouncing is evil and often hits an innocent person whose address has > > been faked by the sender of spam, making the source of bounces not better > > than the originator. > > I expect this to be an SMTP-level rejection, not a bounce.

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-22 Thread Thomas Koenig via Gcc
Am 21.03.20 um 21:29 schrieb Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc: Hi - since the change to the new list management, there has been an uptick of spam getting through. Spam is bounced by my ISP, and this just resulted in a warning that there were too many bounces and that I would get removed from the list

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Maciej W. Rozycki: > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020, Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc wrote: > >> > > So, a request: Could the overseers either install more effective >> > > spam protection for the list as a whole (preferred) >> >> Heh, if only it were that easy! Spam filtering was and is distinct >> from

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-22 Thread Winfried Magerl
Hello Maciej, On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 09:22:31PM +, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: [..] > Spam bouncing is evil and often hits an innocent person [..] others like me might see it different: Spam discarding is evil and often hits an innocent person. Silently discarding a legal

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-21 Thread Oleg Endo
On Sat, 2020-03-21 at 13:08 -0700, H.J. Lu via Gcc wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:40 PM Thomas Koenig via Gcc < > gcc@gcc.gnu.org> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > since the change to the new list management, there has been > > > an uptick of spam getting through. Spam is bounced by my ISP, > >

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-21 Thread Maciej W. Rozycki
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020, Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc wrote: > > > So, a request: Could the overseers either install more effective > > > spam protection for the list as a whole (preferred) > > Heh, if only it were that easy! Spam filtering was and is distinct > from mailing list processing, and as you

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-21 Thread Frank Ch. Eigler via Gcc
Hi - > > since the change to the new list management, there has been > > an uptick of spam getting through. Spam is bounced by my ISP, > > and this just resulted in a warning that there were too many > > bounces and that I would get removed from the list unless I > > confirmed it (which I then

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-21 Thread H.J. Lu via Gcc
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 12:40 PM Thomas Koenig via Gcc wrote: > > Hi, > > > since the change to the new list management, there has been > > an uptick of spam getting through. Spam is bounced by my ISP, > > and this just resulted in a warning that there were too many > > bounces and that I would

Re: Spam, bounces and gcc list removal

2020-03-21 Thread Thomas Koenig via Gcc
Hi, since the change to the new list management, there has been an uptick of spam getting through. Spam is bounced by my ISP, and this just resulted in a warning that there were too many bounces and that I would get removed from the list unless I confirmed it (which I then did). This has now