Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Dec 23, 2010, at 7:33 PM, Armin Faltl wrote: > >> Of course it is fine when people try to contribute, but some basic >> understanding of concepts may be helpful. >> > my basic understanding is, that text in the title blocks is meant to be as > large as it > should be, and that something na

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Stefan Salewski wrote: For Cairo very this lines vanish, so additional consideration is needed when drawing symbols... Typesetters have a concept called 'hairline' - it's the thinnest line a given device can produce. This is what a line of width 0 is meant to do. If cairo renders this to

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 02:14 +0100, Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 14:05 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: > I do understand that zero line width can be useful, i.e. to determine > the smallest possible width of an output device. And zero width will > remain still thin when zoomed in. B

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 14:05 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: > > I haven't nailed down what it is that bothers me, but I have recently > made my own versions of capacitors, resistor, diodes, and LED symbols > that are more _compact_ than the gschem stock library versions. One point which confuse me

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Colin D Bennett wrote: I haven't nailed down what it is that bothers me, but I have recently made my own versions of capacitors, resistor, diodes, and LED symbols that are more _compact_ than the gschem stock library versions. By more "compact" I don't mean just scaled down, but less wasted spac

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Of course it is fine when people try to contribute, but some basic understanding of concepts may be helpful. my basic understanding is, that text in the title blocks is meant to be as large as it should be, and that something named A4 should be printed on A4. _

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 14:05 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: > smaller won't achieve any improvement. (Except in relation to default > text size, perhaps.) > That is very similar to my thinking. I have to admit that I have complained about too large text in 1.6.x printout, but now I think its my o

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 14:05 -0800, Colin D Bennett wrote: > It would be interesting to see examples of what various people think > are "beautiful" schematics in terms of the symbols. For instance, I > think ChaN's schematics generally have a nice clean compact > appearance (e.g.,

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 16:11:18 +0100 Stefan Salewski wrote: > On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 15:18 +0100, Armin Faltl wrote: > > > I'll provide my symbols and footprints with this features: > > > > * symbols are smaller than the standard library > > > > Why? > > I think the only reason to shrink all sy

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 22:38 +0100, Armin Faltl wrote: > Stefan Salewski wrote: > > On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 15:18 +0100, Armin Faltl wrote: > > > > > >> I'll provide my symbols and footprints with this features: > >> > >> * symbols are smaller than the standard library > >> > >> > > > > Why? >

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Stefan Salewski wrote: On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 15:18 +0100, Armin Faltl wrote: I'll provide my symbols and footprints with this features: * symbols are smaller than the standard library Why? There are many request from various people for smaller symbols on this list. When used at

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 15:18 +0100, Armin Faltl wrote: > I'll provide my symbols and footprints with this features: > > * symbols are smaller than the standard library > Why? I think the only reason to shrink all symbols is because relation to default text size? (Note, we can always enlarge tit

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Armin Faltl wrote: > Whoever offered me a page on gedasymbols, please do so now. IIRC, this should be DJ Delorie Welcome to the exclusive club of gedasymbols contributors! ---<)kaimartin(>--- -- Kai-Martin Knaak Öffentlicher PGP-Schlüssel: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x6

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Dec 23, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Armin Faltl wrote: > John Doty wrote: >> On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:38 AM, kai-martin knaak wrote: >> Everybody has their own working style: the library cannot possibly cover everybody's. >>> True. However it does not preclude the existence of a libr

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

John Doty wrote: On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:38 AM, kai-martin knaak wrote: Everybody has their own working style: the library cannot possibly cover everybody's. True. However it does not preclude the existence of a library that reasonably matches the needs of a large group of users. The ot

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Dec 19, 2010, at 6:38 AM, kai-martin knaak wrote: > John Doty wrote: > >> Repeat after me: "the library symbols are only starting points". > > Which is a pity and a major weakness of geda/pcb. Have you used other tools? It's unavoidable for anything that can tackle a broad range of project

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

John Doty wrote: > Repeat after me: "the library symbols are only starting points". Which is a pity and a major weakness of geda/pcb. > Everybody has their own working style: the library cannot > possibly cover everybody's. True. However it does not preclude the existence of a library that rea

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Dec 18, 2010, at 3:19 PM, c...@eugeneweb.com wrote: > > >> Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:56:28 -0700 >> From: John Doty >> Subject: Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - >> ID: 3114991 >> >> On Dec 16, 2010, a

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 21:56:28 -0700 From: John Doty Subject: Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991 On Dec 16, 2010, at 9:29 PM, c...@eugeneweb.com wrote: I'm not sure we're on the same page here. That pice of legacy cod

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Dec 17, 2010, at 1:21 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: > So what you are saying is that you think we should get rid of the "WTF?" > function in the code, but not modify the symbol library? I think there's nothing wrong with file=? in the symbols. It indicates that the you have failed to supply a r

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

> In any case, it seems to me that the user should get an error message > (from spice-sdb) in this case, as an explicit "?" here means that the > user has neither set the attribute to something useful nor deleted it as > irrelevant. So what you are saying is that you think we should get rid of the

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Dec 16, 2010, at 9:29 PM, c...@eugeneweb.com wrote: > I'm not sure we're on the same page here. That pice of legacy code is what we > want to remove. We don't want any code to reinterpret attributes. For the > short term we would like to change a few probramatic symbols so we don't have > t

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Clif Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 19:58:26 -0700 From: John Doty Subject: Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991 On Dec 16, 2010, at 7:44 PM, c...@eugeneweb.com wrote: Hi John, Did you see my initial post on this? Yes. The only pice of code

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Dec 16, 2010, at 7:44 PM, c...@eugeneweb.com wrote: > Hi John, > > Did you see my initial post on this? Yes. > > The only pice of code that currently deals with the "?" is this one: > > ;; sometimes get-package-attribute returns "?" instead of "unknown". WTF? > This should fix that . .

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Hi John, Did you see my initial post on this? Maybe I got it wrong but I tried to understand the intent as best I could and present my thougths: Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 22:30:33 -0800 (PST) From: c...@eugeneweb.com Subject: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?&

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Dec 16, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: Should I make a new one that replaces all the "?" in symbols / blocks with "unknown"? That sounds like a good idea, actually. I'm not happy with this. The "?" is in those symbols for a reason. I do not believe the core

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

On Thursday 16 December 2010 20:43:23 c...@eugeneweb.com wrote: > Ok so we toss current patch in 3114991. Done. > Should I make a new one that > replaces all the "?" in symbols / blocks with "unknown"? That sounds like a good idea, actually. > If spice-sdb should choke on any remaining "?" it

gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Hi Peter, Ok so we toss current patch in 3114991. Should I make a new one that replaces all the "?" in symbols / blocks with "unknown"? If spice-sdb should choke on any remaining "?" it runs across, then I guess my second patch (3117075) is good to go. It seems that another example of attri

Re: gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

> To fix it in a uniform way I think we need to standardise what we > use as a place holder for an attribute. Sould we explicitly put > "unknown"  or "?"? Unfortunitly gschem won't let you put a null string. Hi Clif, Since at the moment gnetlist internally uses the string "unknown" to indicate

gEDA-user: get-package-attribute sometimes returns "?" - ID: 3114991

Hi Gang, This is about a patch I submitted a while back because myself and others didn't understand the souce of the "?". Patrick found it though. They are from the spice A.. blocks. The value of some of the unpromoted attributes are "?". Apparently they are place holders to remind someone to