Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

> > Wow. What a ridiculous way to say "yes". Ive always found you to be > switched on and relevant in the past; but looking over your contributions > to those AFDs it feels like your certain the aim is to remove these > articles because we are anti-women. And for no other reason. > > This is the so

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

On 8/26/2012 5:27 PM, Laura Hale wrote: I would personally be less bothered if it was women criticising women critically and harshly, but when it looks like man after man criticising women and no other female voices in the conversation, that bothers me because of the historical overtones reg

Re: [Gendergap] Proposal to eliminate Wikiquette Assistance....

I edited Wikipedia for almost 3 years before I felt confidant enough to go to any noticeboard at all, not to mention ANI. Still haven't done an RfC user, and I have had some incredible provocation. Wikietiquette Alert maybe the kind of first step many would feel comfortable with. CM On 8/26/20

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On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > I haven't looked at these AfDs > Whoops -- correction, I actually did !vote in one of these AfDs (Todd Akin rape and pregnancy controversy), just didn't realize it was one of those being called out. Sorry -- no deception intended. And in th

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

It's probably better to avoid arguments of tone online, even if it's a tone you want to avoid yourself, because it's way too easy to misinterpret without tonal inflection, or other bits of non-verbal body language. You may have misinterpreted the tone you're trying to criticize, or they may have mi

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

Sent from my iPad On 26/08/2012, at 10:18 PM, Courtney Thurston wrote: > I'm with ChaoticFluffy. This thread makes me want to slap one of those "This > insults women" stickers on other women. > I would personally be less bothered if it was women criticising women critically and harshly, bu

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

I’ll disagree with you on the point here. The tone I referred to was one that I attempt to avoid using myself. I don’t feel that it is conducive to discussion when used by males or females. On the topic of the Gender Gap. Thanks to the awesome help of Sarah, I just created 5 articles about t

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

I'm with ChaoticFluffy. This thread makes me want to slap one of those "This insults women" stickers on other *women*. Courtney On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM, ChaoticFluffy wrote: > Just for the record: I am in possession of a full set of female genitalia, > and I think Carol's tone was aggres

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

Just for the record: I am in possession of a full set of female genitalia, and I think Carol's tone was aggressive and very clearly represented an assumption of bad faith. Accusing other editors of AfDing articles because of some crypto-misogyny plan they're secretly pursing, especially editors who

Re: [Gendergap] Proposal to eliminate Wikiquette Assistance....

Presumably one would make a list of them and either start an RfC/U or an ANI report showing the pattern. Either of those options is more likely to end in something being done than a WQA alert. -Fluffernutter On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Carol Moore DC wrote: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

Hate to be a pain... but Ryan, your comments and the comments by another male on the list, they make me feel uncomfortable as the tone argument is one historically used to repress women and to silence them. As women in western cultures, many of us have been culturally indoctrinated to be loud,

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Carol Moore DC wrote: > Questionable just means one has questions. > I disagree. I think "questionable" is a highly charged word that's usually understood to be rhetorical (whether or not it was intended that way). For instance, if I say "I find the circumstance

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

Carol, I have to point out that I added myself to the gender gap list because I want to help reduce it; however, comments you make are pushing me to remove myself. Your attitude when it comes to feminism is combative. Taking a combative stance doesn't help your argument. Ryan Vesey From: g

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

What I am taking personally is your assertion that we nominated these articles for some anti-female agenda. Which you continue to do by suggesting my characterisation of your argument as ridiculous is due to you being a woman. The irony of then telling me not to take it personally is... Ah, well.

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

As a female I've been called ridiculous for having an opinion so many times I don't even know what it means anymore :-) But seriously, it's not like the nominator said:"I'm on the GenderGap list and here's why I think this list would agree these articles should be deleted... " Don't take rej

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

On 26 Aug 2012, at 16:36, Carol Moore DC wrote: Questionable just means one has questions. So it's nice, unlike the other words which I was contrasting with questionable - not using to describe my specific questions on specific articles in that particular AfD list. See: http://en.wikipedia.or

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

On 8/26/2012 11:02 AM, Gobonobo wrote: I think a related point of concern is the tone that editors can take during some of these deletion discussions, although it is disturbing to have so many iconic feminist articles nominated for deletion at once (Pussy Riot, pregnancy from rape, Sandra Fluke

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

Questionable just means one has questions. So it's nice, unlike the other words which I was contrasting with questionable - not using to describe my specific questions on specific articles in that particular AfD list. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Article_a

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

On 08/26/2012 09:20 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 26 August 2012 15:16, Carol Moore DC > wrote: On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nom

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

Or that I nominated the B.a.B.e article for those reasons? Let's assume good faith here. On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: > On 26 August 2012 15:16, Carol Moore DC wrote: > >> On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: >> >> Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

On 26 August 2012 15:16, Carol Moore DC wrote: > On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: > > Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. >> Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. >> >> > On a "fostering friendly atmosphere" note; characterising

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

On 8/26/2012 9:58 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. On a "fostering friendly atmosphere" note; characterising actions as "questionable" is not very nice. Tom Que

Re: [Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

> > Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. > Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. > > On a "fostering friendly atmosphere" note; characterising actions as "questionable" is not very nice. Tom ___ Gend

[Gendergap] Reminder of Feminism Article Alerts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Feminism/Article_alerts Right now there are 3 questionable AfD's and various nominations, etc. Plus a bunch of Good article nominees and other listings. Watch that page (or the relevant page in your language) and comment from time to time so

[Gendergap] Proposal to eliminate Wikiquette Assistance....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29#Closing_Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance So then where does one go for those constant, insidious low level sexist comments that don't quite make it to WP:Ani level... CM in DC ___ Ge