Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Sarah wrote: > >> Hi Sarah, the terms of use come from the Foundation. >> > > Sarah, > > I know this is a tangent to what you're talking about, but I think it's an > important point. Last year's rewrite of th

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:27 PM, Sarah wrote: > Hi Sarah, the terms of use come from the Foundation. > Sarah, I know this is a tangent to what you're talking about, but I think it's an important point. Last year's rewrite of the terms of use was guided by Foundation staff, but in my view and th

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > Andreas - when you say "until the Foundation does something," what are you > looking for them to do? > > You can always directly write the legal team and ask them for input on > what "they" could do regarding your concerns. That's what I woul

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: >> >>> Andreas - when you say "until the Foundation does something," what are >>> you looking for them to do? >>> >> >> >> Sarah,

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > Andreas - when you say "until the Foundation does something," what are you > looking for them to do? > > You can always directly write the legal team and ask them for input on > what "they" could do regarding your concerns. That's what I woul

Re: [Gendergap] Program Evaluation and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Gah!! That's embarrassing. Yes, 2013. Sadly we're severely limited on funding. If I had my way, we'd fund everyone, but, sadly we can't. (And based on surveying in Milan, most interested participants were willing to fund themselves or have chapters fund them). But it's important to let everyone

Re: [Gendergap] Program Evaluation and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest

2013-05-08 Thread Risker
Travel is often an issue for people, but time travel even more so. I assume that's 2013? Risker/Anne On 8 May 2013 14:21, Sarah Stierch wrote: > [please pardon this crossposting] > > Hello everyone! > > I am pleased to announce the first Program Evaluation and Design Workshop! > >- *When*

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Russavia
Sarah et al, Another option is to upload photos from here: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=bagby+springs&l=commderiv&ss=2&ct=0&mt=all&w=all&adv=1 These are Commons compliant CC licenced photos, that one is free to upload to Commons. This will add some more variety to the category. I will check

[Gendergap] Program Evaluation and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
[please pardon this crossposting] Hello everyone! I am pleased to announce the first Program Evaluation and Design Workshop! - *When*: 22–23 June 2012 - *Where*: Budapest, Hungary The application process is now open. We have only 20 slots available for this workshop and the application de

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Russavia
I am getting plenty more results than what we have on Commons. I am suspecting that a bad example was chosen here, because they are HOT SPRINGS; which generally means that nudity is allowed, and given what they are, it's generally to be expected. Unless of course we want to turn back the clocks to

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Pete, > > I'd invite you to run a Google image search for Bagby Hot Springs > > Please don't confuse my offhand remark for an intent to change the way the article's illustrated. I just wanted to offer some context -- Bagby is locally well

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Pete, I'd invite you to run a Google image search for Bagby Hot Springs, with safe search turned off. The first one hundred images include about as many images of female nudity as the nine-image Commons category. That is the difference between Commons demographics, and general demographics. Andr

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > >> Andreas - when you say "until the Foundation does something," what are >> you looking for them to do? >> > > > Sarah, change has to come from the top: from Sue and the board. As far a

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > Andreas - when you say "until the Foundation does something," what are you > looking for them to do? > Sarah, change has to come from the top: from Sue and the board. As far as I am concerned, they have failed abysmally. There have been word

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Russavia
The best idea I've seen! If a subject area is lacking on Commons, the best way to go about it is to upload more photos, so that the one or two "naturist" photos blend in. Look forward to seeing more images in that category in the future. :) Cheers, Russavia On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Sa

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Pete Forsyth
As possibly the only person in this discussion who's been to Bagby, I'd hasten to point out that arguably, including nudity in the article would be the most accurate way to depict it. I've seen more naked people there than clothed people. But yes, I agree with Sarah -- having images of naked peopl

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Nepenthe
Sarah, indeed, I should have been more clear. It is the Commons category for the Hot Springs that contains the nude images, not the en.wikipedia article. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: > Just to follow up - the English Wikipedia article about the Babgy Hot > Springs does n

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Just to follow up - the English Wikipedia article about the Babgy Hot Springs does not depict any nudity in the images: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagby_Hot_Springs At this point, I'm so over fretting about "porny" stuff on Commons - I'm more concerned about personality rights - but, if it does

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Andreas - when you say "until the Foundation does something," what are you looking for them to do? You can always directly write the legal team and ask them for input on what "they" could do regarding your concerns. That's what I would do if I was you. As you very well know, grantmaking and techn

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
Another idea - Perhaps we can create a working list of articles that need better photos and are using absurd sexualized images etc as their photos. Obviously "sex" articles wouldn't always fall into thy category, but, I'm thinking more stupid things like the hot springs article. Instead of wik

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Nepenthe wrote: > The more I look into it, the more it seems like it's a pointless endeavor. > From the deletion discussions I've looked at ( > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Save_the_Redwoods.jpg), > a photo of two nude young wome

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Sarah Stierch
I have friends who live up there. And I will be in the area in July. I'll see if we can get "decent" photos of the hot springs. Actually it might be federal land therefore we can get public domain images for it. I need to look into that when I am online. The best thing to do: replace the crap w

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Nepenthe
The more I look into it, the more it seems like it's a pointless endeavor. >From the deletion discussions I've looked at ( http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Save_the_Redwoods.jpg), a photo of two nude young women in a tree considered in scope. After all, it's been cat

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Mary Mark Ockerbloom < celebration.wo...@gmail.com> wrote: > Regarding the question of "what can you do", > I had the experience last week of starting a new job. > I had to read through the guidelines for the organization, > which included a section on Equal Opportu

Re: [Gendergap] Topless image retention -don't give up

2013-05-08 Thread Mary Mark Ockerbloom
Regarding the question of "what can you do", I had the experience last week of starting a new job. I had to read through the guidelines for the organization, which included a section on Equal Opportunity and Freedom from Harassment. Prominent on the first page: "Harassment Defined 1. Hostile Env