Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

No problem at all, several people think I'm a man and grandson of Beria(which I'm not, let's make it clear ;) ) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Aju

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > George I'm a woman (a young lady if you're from UK)! There are no reason for > you to address me with masculine pronouns ;) I am extremely sorry. That had escaped my notice previously, no offense intended... -- -george william herbert georg

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

--- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 16:27:03 -0300 > From: B?ria Lima > To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects > > Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; c

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

Actually the debate was that we need a new moderator on the team, and I suggested Laura. All the other debates you can ask Emily about. ;) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

George I'm a woman (a young lady if you're from UK)! There are no reason for you to address me with masculine pronouns ;) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse so

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

Nathan, I agree! From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Nathan wrote: > A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on > forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good > opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to step in and kill

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

A debate over civility and cultural definitions of due respect could go on forever and become quite contentious... This seems like it would be a good opportunity for Kevin or another moderator to step in and kill this thread before it gets further out of hand. ~Nathan _

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

Why do you write in capitals letters? _ *Béria Lima **Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. * On 8 May 2012 16:19, Emily Monroe wrote: >

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On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Emily Monroe wrote: > Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? > > From, > Emily I am not comfortable with Beria's stance either, but I don't know that confronting him on the list over it will help anything. We have personality conflicts on the list. The mo

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Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect? From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk. > _ > *Béria Lima* > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > livre acesso ao somatório d

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. * On 8 May 2012 16:02, Emil

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Sarah has earned respect. Please give it. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people > sitting on the corner? > > And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle, you > need to earn

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people sitting on the corner? And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle, you need to earn it. _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somató

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Beria- AdaCamp existed long before WWC, and I'm not sure it's really the same kind of thing -- but I'm sure Val, Sarah, or Sue can speak better to that than I can. Pete On May 8, 2012 8:43 AM, "Béria Lima" wrote: > (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The AdaCamp) __

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of every moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of *everyone* to participate on this list. From, Emily On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Béria Lima

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Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate me. For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from Sarah and I don't think that list should be dominated by a men. Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCa

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On 5/8/12 9:52 AM, Thomas Morton wrote: On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima > wrote: I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ /Béria Lima/ I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good mo

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On 8 May 2012 14:42, Béria Lima wrote: > I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you > already invite Laura? > _ > *Béria Lima* > I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation. Did you already invite Laura? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho.

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:03 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > Hi all - > > As was announced several months ago, I am now one of the moderators of > this list. > > Some time ago, there was a discussion on this list about behavioral > standards for this list.  There was widespread agreement in the > initial

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

On 5/6/2012 5:03 PM, Kevin Gorman wrote: ... Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on moderation of this list. From now on, there will potentially be some. It won't be draconian - and really,

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > I don't care who is moderating, but it would be nice to have more civility > on this list. When I resigned as moderator, I invited several people to take > my place (all women). They all declined citing the contentious nature of the > list, exc

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

Hey Laura, I'm very sorry if I made you feel like your opinion was being discounted. That was not my intention. I was merely trying to express my own opinion and share some of my thoughts on the issue since I was previously involved in moderation of the list. I certainly don't want to turn thi

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I guess the better way to solve this is to place someone "from the other side" of the fight also on moderation. Why not Laura herself? _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a cons

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@Risker: Sorry for not making it more clear in my initial post. Although Sue is a moderator, she chooses not to be active in most moderation decisions. Sarah and I talked about this, and she looked over, edited, (and agreed with) my initial email in this thread. I signed it personally instead of

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I have to agree with Risker here. Laura, it sounds as if perhaps you want a woman-only space, but this is list for discussion by all, of any gender, who are interested in the issues. That doesn't mean we need to dump on men, any more than they should dump on women. LadyofShalott/Aleta On 5/6/12,

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On 6 May 2012 18:50, Kevin Gorman wrote: > On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case > wrote: > > > >> Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is > >> handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no > >> hands-on moderation of this list

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On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Daniel and Elizabeth Case wrote: > >> Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is >> handled a little bit moving forward.  Previously, there has been no >> hands-on moderation of this list. > > > Then how come I had two posts returned to me la

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

Laura, I'm the one who's called you out here. I don't think it is any more tolerable for sexism to be directed toward men as when it is directed toward women, and I am reasonably certain that is the case with many (present and former) subscribers to this list. There are two active moderators for

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no hands-on moderation of this list. Then how come I had two posts returned to me last week with the message: 5.x.0 - Message bounced by administrator They were

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Thanks. It really makes me as a women expressing concerns about feeling unsafe and unable to talk about issues in terms men on the list feel unimportant and resolved because a man has said they do not care who moderates. Clearly the fact that a man has stepped up to enforce civility on women and ot

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

I don't care who is moderating, but it would be nice to have more civility on this list. When I resigned as moderator, I invited several people to take my place (all women). They all declined citing the contentious nature of the list, except for SlimVirgin. SlimVirgin, unfortunately, was not ab

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

On 6 May 2012 17:16, Laura Hale wrote: > > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > >> Hi all - >> >> >> Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is >> handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no >> hands-on moderation of this list.

Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Kevin Gorman wrote: > Hi all - > > Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is > handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no > hands-on moderation of this list. From now on, there will potentially > be some. It won't

[Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards

Hi all - As was announced several months ago, I am now one of the moderators of this list. Some time ago, there was a discussion on this list about behavioral standards for this list. There was widespread agreement in the initial thread that it's important for this list to remain a safe space fo