Re: [Jgeneral] [Jprogramming] J Wiki Coordinator
It looks like the Page count includes the Files count, so I calculated Pages - Files. As a rough check, look at the list of pages at https://code.jsoftware.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special:AllPages This is 7+ pages with about 350 entries per page in the Main namespace. Files are listed in the File namespace On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 10:04 AM 'robert therriault' via General < gene...@jsoftware.com> wrote: > Hey Raul, > > I mentioned the number of files because that was another number from Chris > that did not jibe with mine. > Are you seeing numbers that match my stats, Chris' stats or do you have > completely separate numbers. > > Cheers, bob > > > On Nov 11, 2021, at 09:29, Raul Miller wrote: > > > > An uploaded file (most of them uploaded by Tom Allen) is different from > a page. > > > > You can drill down into that statistics page to see the details. > > > > FYI, > > > > -- > > Raul > > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 12:16 PM 'robert therriault' via General > > wrote: > >> > >> Cross posting back over to the general forum where the discussion can > and should continue. > >> > >> Chris, > >> > >> When I go to the statistics page I see 9,895 pages including redirects > and 7,018 uploaded files. > >> Perhaps, our first task on the wiki is to try and figure out the > difference in results! :-) > >> > >> Regardless, we have our work cut out for us as we proceed with this > 'renovation' > >> > >> Cheers, bob > >> > >>> On Nov 11, 2021, at 05:34, chris burke wrote: > >>> > >>> Wiki statistics are at > https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Special:Statistics > >>> > >>> This gives the page count as 2,877 (Pages - Uploaded files). > >>> > >>> This would include archived pages and redirects, so perhaps around > 2,500 > >>> active pages. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 3:32 PM Ian Clark > wrote: > >>> > This is good news. J Wiki is a peerless garden. I look in vain for > anything > to match it in other computer languages. Other vendors' wikis are pale > shadows – even in the realm of APL. (Can somebody tell us just how > many J > wiki pages there are?) > > J wiki is my first stop when I come across an emergent topic, or ask > the > question: is there a J-er who knows something about that? > But all too often I hit pages that are seriously out-of-date. > Example: just > search on "Oleg" or "j602" and you reap a harvest of pure gold – but > antique gold. Last updated 2009 say, and nothing written since then. > > Now I have a contact point when I hit such a page. Weeding the J > garden is > going to be a Herculean labor. But if I ruled the world I'd have > picked Bob > for the task myself :-D > > > On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 20:29, 'robert therriault' via Programming < > programm...@jsoftware.com> wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > First, thank you to Eric, Chris and Henry for asking me to take on > this > > role. Over the last few weeks, I have seen discussions about the > state of > > the wiki naturally emerge on the forums and so the time seems ripe to > > approach this challenge in a coordinated fashion. This is not a task > that I > > can take on alone and I have to acknowledge the amazing contributions > that > > have already been made to the wiki by Chris Burke in migrating the > original > > documents to a wiki format, Ian Clark and Henry Rich and the many > others > > who have contributed to Nuvoc, and to Roger Hui for the excellent > > contributions he made through the years in the essays section. These > are > > just a few of the people who have kept the wiki going over the > years, but > > just as important are the people who stepped up and clarified that > one > > detail about a little used adverb or included some details about > the way > > that they were using J. If you have contributed to the wiki in the > past > > thank you and if you have not, there will be lots of opportunities > going > > forward. > > > > The current state of the wiki feels to me like a mansion that is > need of > > maintenance. It still has a wonderful location, a classic look and > some > > amazing facilities, but there are also rooms that have not been > updated > > (some of which are rarely visited and may need to be removed to > provide > > access to other areas). In addition, while we are cleaning things > up, we > > may be able to build a few new wings to make it more attractive to > > visitors. If you really wanted to get excited about it, you could say > that > > we have inherited a theme park that will not only educate but will > also > > engage newcomers and could become a destination resort for those who > are > > interested in j. > > > > We are at a time when interest in the array languages is growing and > so > an > > updated wiki will be a real benefit to the whole
Re: [Jgeneral] [Jprogramming] J Wiki Coordinator
Hey Raul, I mentioned the number of files because that was another number from Chris that did not jibe with mine. Are you seeing numbers that match my stats, Chris' stats or do you have completely separate numbers. Cheers, bob > On Nov 11, 2021, at 09:29, Raul Miller wrote: > > An uploaded file (most of them uploaded by Tom Allen) is different from a > page. > > You can drill down into that statistics page to see the details. > > FYI, > > -- > Raul > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 12:16 PM 'robert therriault' via General > wrote: >> >> Cross posting back over to the general forum where the discussion can and >> should continue. >> >> Chris, >> >> When I go to the statistics page I see 9,895 pages including redirects and >> 7,018 uploaded files. >> Perhaps, our first task on the wiki is to try and figure out the difference >> in results! :-) >> >> Regardless, we have our work cut out for us as we proceed with this >> 'renovation' >> >> Cheers, bob >> >>> On Nov 11, 2021, at 05:34, chris burke wrote: >>> >>> Wiki statistics are at https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Special:Statistics >>> >>> This gives the page count as 2,877 (Pages - Uploaded files). >>> >>> This would include archived pages and redirects, so perhaps around 2,500 >>> active pages. >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 3:32 PM Ian Clark wrote: >>> This is good news. J Wiki is a peerless garden. I look in vain for anything to match it in other computer languages. Other vendors' wikis are pale shadows – even in the realm of APL. (Can somebody tell us just how many J wiki pages there are?) J wiki is my first stop when I come across an emergent topic, or ask the question: is there a J-er who knows something about that? But all too often I hit pages that are seriously out-of-date. Example: just search on "Oleg" or "j602" and you reap a harvest of pure gold – but antique gold. Last updated 2009 say, and nothing written since then. Now I have a contact point when I hit such a page. Weeding the J garden is going to be a Herculean labor. But if I ruled the world I'd have picked Bob for the task myself :-D On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 20:29, 'robert therriault' via Programming < programm...@jsoftware.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, > > First, thank you to Eric, Chris and Henry for asking me to take on this > role. Over the last few weeks, I have seen discussions about the state of > the wiki naturally emerge on the forums and so the time seems ripe to > approach this challenge in a coordinated fashion. This is not a task that I > can take on alone and I have to acknowledge the amazing contributions that > have already been made to the wiki by Chris Burke in migrating the original > documents to a wiki format, Ian Clark and Henry Rich and the many others > who have contributed to Nuvoc, and to Roger Hui for the excellent > contributions he made through the years in the essays section. These are > just a few of the people who have kept the wiki going over the years, but > just as important are the people who stepped up and clarified that one > detail about a little used adverb or included some details about the way > that they were using J. If you have contributed to the wiki in the past > thank you and if you have not, there will be lots of opportunities going > forward. > > The current state of the wiki feels to me like a mansion that is need of > maintenance. It still has a wonderful location, a classic look and some > amazing facilities, but there are also rooms that have not been updated > (some of which are rarely visited and may need to be removed to provide > access to other areas). In addition, while we are cleaning things up, we > may be able to build a few new wings to make it more attractive to > visitors. If you really wanted to get excited about it, you could say that > we have inherited a theme park that will not only educate but will also > engage newcomers and could become a destination resort for those who are > interested in j. > > We are at a time when interest in the array languages is growing and so an > updated wiki will be a real benefit to the whole community. If you are > interested in being part of this process let me know, either through the > general forum (gene...@jsoftware.com) or emailing me directly at > bobtherria...@mac.com. My plan over the next week is to gauge the > interest and start to organize the approach we will take. If you are > interested in being a part of that vision then please get in touch with me. > Wiki's are not a one person adventure. If planning the project is not for > you right now, get involved when you can. There will also be opportunities > down the road for curators who may be interested in a
Re: [Jgeneral] [Jprogramming] J Wiki Coordinator
An uploaded file (most of them uploaded by Tom Allen) is different from a page. You can drill down into that statistics page to see the details. FYI, -- Raul On Thu, Nov 11, 2021 at 12:16 PM 'robert therriault' via General wrote: > > Cross posting back over to the general forum where the discussion can and > should continue. > > Chris, > > When I go to the statistics page I see 9,895 pages including redirects and > 7,018 uploaded files. > Perhaps, our first task on the wiki is to try and figure out the difference > in results! :-) > > Regardless, we have our work cut out for us as we proceed with this > 'renovation' > > Cheers, bob > > > On Nov 11, 2021, at 05:34, chris burke wrote: > > > > Wiki statistics are at https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Special:Statistics > > > > This gives the page count as 2,877 (Pages - Uploaded files). > > > > This would include archived pages and redirects, so perhaps around 2,500 > > active pages. > > > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 3:32 PM Ian Clark wrote: > > > >> This is good news. J Wiki is a peerless garden. I look in vain for anything > >> to match it in other computer languages. Other vendors' wikis are pale > >> shadows – even in the realm of APL. (Can somebody tell us just how many J > >> wiki pages there are?) > >> > >> J wiki is my first stop when I come across an emergent topic, or ask the > >> question: is there a J-er who knows something about that? > >> But all too often I hit pages that are seriously out-of-date. Example: just > >> search on "Oleg" or "j602" and you reap a harvest of pure gold – but > >> antique gold. Last updated 2009 say, and nothing written since then. > >> > >> Now I have a contact point when I hit such a page. Weeding the J garden is > >> going to be a Herculean labor. But if I ruled the world I'd have picked Bob > >> for the task myself :-D > >> > >> > >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 20:29, 'robert therriault' via Programming < > >> programm...@jsoftware.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> First, thank you to Eric, Chris and Henry for asking me to take on this > >>> role. Over the last few weeks, I have seen discussions about the state of > >>> the wiki naturally emerge on the forums and so the time seems ripe to > >>> approach this challenge in a coordinated fashion. This is not a task > >> that I > >>> can take on alone and I have to acknowledge the amazing contributions > >> that > >>> have already been made to the wiki by Chris Burke in migrating the > >> original > >>> documents to a wiki format, Ian Clark and Henry Rich and the many others > >>> who have contributed to Nuvoc, and to Roger Hui for the excellent > >>> contributions he made through the years in the essays section. These are > >>> just a few of the people who have kept the wiki going over the years, but > >>> just as important are the people who stepped up and clarified that one > >>> detail about a little used adverb or included some details about the way > >>> that they were using J. If you have contributed to the wiki in the past > >>> thank you and if you have not, there will be lots of opportunities going > >>> forward. > >>> > >>> The current state of the wiki feels to me like a mansion that is need of > >>> maintenance. It still has a wonderful location, a classic look and some > >>> amazing facilities, but there are also rooms that have not been updated > >>> (some of which are rarely visited and may need to be removed to provide > >>> access to other areas). In addition, while we are cleaning things up, we > >>> may be able to build a few new wings to make it more attractive to > >>> visitors. If you really wanted to get excited about it, you could say > >> that > >>> we have inherited a theme park that will not only educate but will also > >>> engage newcomers and could become a destination resort for those who are > >>> interested in j. > >>> > >>> We are at a time when interest in the array languages is growing and so > >> an > >>> updated wiki will be a real benefit to the whole community. If you are > >>> interested in being part of this process let me know, either through the > >>> general forum (gene...@jsoftware.com) or emailing me directly at > >>> bobtherria...@mac.com. My plan over the next week is to gauge the > >>> interest and start to organize the approach we will take. If you are > >>> interested in being a part of that vision then please get in touch with > >> me. > >>> Wiki's are not a one person adventure. If planning the project is not for > >>> you right now, get involved when you can. There will also be > >> opportunities > >>> down the road for curators who may be interested in a specific area of > >> the > >>> J wiki and, as always, contributions from the community are encouraged. > >> We > >>> will be providing weekly updates here on the programming forum to keep > >>> everyone up to date. > >>> > >>> Stay tuned as we move forward together and please share any thoughts that > >>> you have either by direct email to me
Re: [Jgeneral] [Jprogramming] J Wiki Coordinator
Cross posting back over to the general forum where the discussion can and should continue. Chris, When I go to the statistics page I see 9,895 pages including redirects and 7,018 uploaded files. Perhaps, our first task on the wiki is to try and figure out the difference in results! :-) Regardless, we have our work cut out for us as we proceed with this 'renovation' Cheers, bob > On Nov 11, 2021, at 05:34, chris burke wrote: > > Wiki statistics are at https://code.jsoftware.com/wiki/Special:Statistics > > This gives the page count as 2,877 (Pages - Uploaded files). > > This would include archived pages and redirects, so perhaps around 2,500 > active pages. > > On Wed, Nov 10, 2021 at 3:32 PM Ian Clark wrote: > >> This is good news. J Wiki is a peerless garden. I look in vain for anything >> to match it in other computer languages. Other vendors' wikis are pale >> shadows – even in the realm of APL. (Can somebody tell us just how many J >> wiki pages there are?) >> >> J wiki is my first stop when I come across an emergent topic, or ask the >> question: is there a J-er who knows something about that? >> But all too often I hit pages that are seriously out-of-date. Example: just >> search on "Oleg" or "j602" and you reap a harvest of pure gold – but >> antique gold. Last updated 2009 say, and nothing written since then. >> >> Now I have a contact point when I hit such a page. Weeding the J garden is >> going to be a Herculean labor. But if I ruled the world I'd have picked Bob >> for the task myself :-D >> >> >> On Wed, 10 Nov 2021 at 20:29, 'robert therriault' via Programming < >> programm...@jsoftware.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> First, thank you to Eric, Chris and Henry for asking me to take on this >>> role. Over the last few weeks, I have seen discussions about the state of >>> the wiki naturally emerge on the forums and so the time seems ripe to >>> approach this challenge in a coordinated fashion. This is not a task >> that I >>> can take on alone and I have to acknowledge the amazing contributions >> that >>> have already been made to the wiki by Chris Burke in migrating the >> original >>> documents to a wiki format, Ian Clark and Henry Rich and the many others >>> who have contributed to Nuvoc, and to Roger Hui for the excellent >>> contributions he made through the years in the essays section. These are >>> just a few of the people who have kept the wiki going over the years, but >>> just as important are the people who stepped up and clarified that one >>> detail about a little used adverb or included some details about the way >>> that they were using J. If you have contributed to the wiki in the past >>> thank you and if you have not, there will be lots of opportunities going >>> forward. >>> >>> The current state of the wiki feels to me like a mansion that is need of >>> maintenance. It still has a wonderful location, a classic look and some >>> amazing facilities, but there are also rooms that have not been updated >>> (some of which are rarely visited and may need to be removed to provide >>> access to other areas). In addition, while we are cleaning things up, we >>> may be able to build a few new wings to make it more attractive to >>> visitors. If you really wanted to get excited about it, you could say >> that >>> we have inherited a theme park that will not only educate but will also >>> engage newcomers and could become a destination resort for those who are >>> interested in j. >>> >>> We are at a time when interest in the array languages is growing and so >> an >>> updated wiki will be a real benefit to the whole community. If you are >>> interested in being part of this process let me know, either through the >>> general forum (gene...@jsoftware.com) or emailing me directly at >>> bobtherria...@mac.com. My plan over the next week is to gauge the >>> interest and start to organize the approach we will take. If you are >>> interested in being a part of that vision then please get in touch with >> me. >>> Wiki's are not a one person adventure. If planning the project is not for >>> you right now, get involved when you can. There will also be >> opportunities >>> down the road for curators who may be interested in a specific area of >> the >>> J wiki and, as always, contributions from the community are encouraged. >> We >>> will be providing weekly updates here on the programming forum to keep >>> everyone up to date. >>> >>> Stay tuned as we move forward together and please share any thoughts that >>> you have either by direct email to me or through the general forum for >> that >>> is the place where the wiki will be discussed. >>> >>> Cheers, bob >>> On Nov 10, 2021, at 11:38, Eric Iverson >>> wrote: Bob Therriault has stepped up and volunteered to be the J Wiki >>> Coordinator. There is a lot that can be done to make the wiki more effective for >> both seasoned and new J programmers. More importantly it could
