Re: Minimum footprint question about Glasgow

2006-08-04 Thread Gordon Sim
Good question, though one I do not have as yet an answer for. However, the classes used purely for the encoding/decoding in java are currently about 150K unoptimised. They do also rely on Mina at present which is 278K. There would be a small amount on top of this most to tie this all into a

Re: Minimum footprint question about Glasgow

2006-08-04 Thread James Strachan
If small footprint is your primary aim you might want to consider using the Stomp protocol which is extremely easy to write a client for (at the expense of some performance for high volume clients). http://stomp.codehaus.org/Protocol e.g. the entire Ruby client is a page or two of code (and its

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Gordon Sim
Garrett Rooney wrote: Finally, and I hate to say this because it may very well be just a cultural difference between projects the Glasgow developers have worked on and the way things work in ASF projects I'm familiar with, I think it's disturbing that all answers to questions concerning this

Re: [RESULT] NOMINATION: Craig Russell

2006-08-04 Thread Martin van den Bemt
The vote was public on the roller-dev list.. Mvgr, Martin Matthias Wessendorf wrote: It's a good thing to notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]; I think the vote was not public, isn't it ? Maybe we should put it to the guide lines; that for non-public votes the result shouldn't posted only only the

Re: Heraldry committers left off of initial proposal

2006-08-04 Thread Leo Simons
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 12:04:33PM +0100, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 8/3/06, Ted Leung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've been told that three contributors to the various Heraldry code bases were accidentallly omitted from the Heraldlry

[howto] add a new committer (was: Re: [RESULT] NOMINATION: Craig Russell)

2006-08-04 Thread Leo Simons
Congrats to Craig :) This is the right way to tackle this I think. Just needs a reference (message-id or http://mail-archives...) to the vote thread and then everyone can be real happy. LSD On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:26:28PM -0700, Henri Yandell wrote: Notifying [EMAIL PROTECTED] of the vote

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Danny Angus
Hi everybody, I don't have a binding vote here, but.. -1 I strongly object to the name, in some sense I object to this name because it is also the name of the city in which I work, and conversations about Glasgow will be a bit wierd. But very much more importantly I would also like to

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Gordon Sim
Danny Angus wrote: I think it is about time that we grew up and introduced a rule which prevents words already used as proper nouns from being proposed as project names unless there is some real and relevant on-topic connection. Just by way of explanation, this name was proposed as (a) it is

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 8/4/06, Gordon Sim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danny Angus wrote: I think it is about time that we grew up and introduced a rule which prevents words already used as proper nouns from being proposed as project names unless there is some real and relevant on-topic connection. Just by way of

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Danny Angus
On 04/08/06, Garrett Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note that these reasons would have been obvious if the discussion on what to change the name to had happened in public... Quite. d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-04 Thread Danny Angus
On 30/07/06, Cliff Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any further concerns about this proposal? Cliff, yes I do. As you may have seen from previous posts I've only just been catching up with this. My concern is that it is not appropriate for the incubator to continue to condone

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Danny Angus
On 04/08/06, Gordon Sim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Danny Angus wrote: I think it is about time that we grew up and introduced a rule which prevents words already used as proper nouns from being proposed as project names unless there is some real and relevant on-topic connection. Just by way of

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-04 Thread Danny Angus
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Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread robert . j . greig
So it would be fine if development had been funded by the public sector (in the form of Glasgow City Council) but since it was funded by a private organisation it's not ok? Robert |-+ | | Danny Angus| | | [EMAIL

CeliXfire Mailing lists

2006-08-04 Thread Jason van Zyl
Hi, Just to let folks know that the CeliXfire mailing lists have been set up for those who wish to subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To

Consistent naming helps (was: Re: CeliXfire Mailing lists)

2006-08-04 Thread Leo Simons
May I suggest making sure that all other resources are also named cxf then? Eg incubator.apache.org/projects/cfx.html svn.apa.../cxf unix group: cxf ... etc. The reason being that it is easier on automated tools and also on admins who may not know about the project. We had some similar

Re: Consistent naming helps (was: Re: CeliXfire Mailing lists)

2006-08-04 Thread Jason van Zyl
On 4 Aug 06, at 11:28 AM 4 Aug 06, Leo Simons wrote: May I suggest making sure that all other resources are also named cxf then? Eg incubator.apache.org/projects/cfx.html svn.apa.../cxf unix group: cxf ... etc. The reason being that it is easier on automated tools and also on admins who may

Project Naming (was Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator)

2006-08-04 Thread Archit Shah
The project formerly known as Blaze changed its name to Glasgow based on previous feedback and decided to follow Apache precedent (e.g. Tuscany). Apparently there are strong objections to this precendent. In our discussions, the group did come up with some ingenious names for the project, but

RE: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-04 Thread Larry Cable
If Apache is acceptable for the name of this organization then I see no reason to waste anyone else's time on a rather pointless debate regarding the appropriateness of naming this project 'Glasgow' or not. FYI, as a point of historical interest (and it's not that interesting), purely as a

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread J Aaron Farr
On 8/3/06, Mads Toftum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:54:14PM -0400, Garrett Rooney wrote: I'm sorry, but I have to vote -1 (binding). I very much agree with Garretts concerns - and would be much in favor of not bringing the project into incubation before they have proven

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 8/4/06, J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/3/06, Mads Toftum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:54:14PM -0400, Garrett Rooney wrote: I'm sorry, but I have to vote -1 (binding). I very much agree with Garretts concerns - and would be much in favor of not

Re: Project Naming (was Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator)

2006-08-04 Thread Danny Angus
Archit, I'm very happy to here you say so, I certainly don't want to affect your progress through the incubator, in many ways I've unfairly sigled you out as an example of a prectice I feel strongly about. Unfortunately I will be away, offline, for the next four days, but if it is still

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-04 Thread Danny Angus
Robert, Try Apache, and Geronimo. What about Jakarta? I think its time we just stopped this, Glasgow isn't probably too bad. But what if you'd picked Bristol? I'm not picking on you particularly, I just think its time we reconsidered the re-use of proper nouns. d. On 04/08/06, [EMAIL

Re: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-04 Thread Danny Angus
On 04/08/06, Larry Cable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Apache is acceptable for the name of this organization then I see no reason to waste anyone else's time on a rather pointless debate regarding the appropriateness of naming this project 'Glasgow' or not. I don't believe that it is. I

Re: Project Naming (was Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator)

2006-08-04 Thread Matthias Wessendorf
Martin- yes we solved it recently. But... the process of solving that is not quite clear. I created an issue / task in JIRA for that. I am only refering to the trademark issue; the rest was pretty easy, the community voted on the name. We only ensured that no names with *potential* trademark

RE: Blaze and Openness of Standards (was Re: [Proposal] Blaze)

2006-08-04 Thread robert . j . greig
I agree that the debate on the name is not a useful discussion. If nobody else has a problem with the use of proper nouns in general can I suggest that we move back to discussing the more significant points raised by others? Regarding the openness of the standard and its processes, I would like

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 8/4/06, Garrett Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/4/06, J Aaron Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/3/06, Mads Toftum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 05:54:14PM -0400, Garrett Rooney wrote: I'm sorry, but I have to vote -1 (binding). I very much agree with

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 8/4/06, Cliff Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course everyone should make their own minds about this after a careful reading of the threads (and may see things differently), but I wouldn't have agreed to champion the proposal if I had the sense there was not a commitment to create

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Eelco Hillenius
I understand that there are some specific circumstances in this case, but in general I believe this sort of criteria is why we get complaints that it's impossible to innovate at Apache any more. We require all the grunt work of innovation to occur outside of Apache. The issues of an open

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On 8/4/06, Garrett Rooney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/4/06, Cliff Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nor would I, as a mentor, ever allow any project to move through incubation without actively working to create such a community. I have no doubt that this is the case, and if I said anything

Glasgow - community? specs? other issues?

2006-08-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Eelco Hillenius wrote: I understand that there are some specific circumstances in this case, but in general I believe this sort of criteria is why we get complaints that it's impossible to innovate at Apache any more. We require all the grunt work of innovation to occur outside of Apache.

Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator

2006-08-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Cliff Schmidt wrote: I believe all open questions about the Glasgow proposal (originally submitted as Blaze) have now been addressed enough to call a vote for accepting the project for incubation. Cliff, so it is not lost (I switched subjects to a discussion forum that, oddly, you have not

SUBJECT NAMES

2006-08-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Everyone... Cliff Schmidt wrote: Coach, If you don't view your question as related to the vote, would you mind reposting it to a separate or an existing thread about Glasgow? Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I like to keep vote threads to just votes and critical questions

Re: Project Naming (was Re: [VOTE] Accept Glasgow into Incubator)

2006-08-04 Thread Sanjiva Weerawarana
IMO the reason this naming debate hasn't been settled is because of the way in which the change from Blaze to Glasgow was achieved: it was done privately and the result was announced here. I can imagine how frustrating this must be to folks who are new to Apache, but folks here don't like private