Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Ketih, I think Italo is incorrect saying voting no would be a defeat for free software. It is an honest mistake. People don't know what else could happen, because alternatives are not being discussed. They have been discussed. Even at this list. We have discussed to say no to OOo at the ASF.

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding). -- Regards, Cordialement, Emmanuel Lécharny www.iktek.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Volker Merschmann
Hi, I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote: [  ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [X ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation I have contributed to OpenOffice.org for several years and I doubt that the project will find the

[DISCUSSION] (was: RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)

2011-06-11 Thread Gavin McDonald
-Original Message- From: Volker Merschmann [mailto:merschm...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011 6:49 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Hi, I am wearing my OOo-hat here, and this is my vote: [  ] +1 Accept

Re: [DISCUSSION] (was: RE: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation)

2011-06-11 Thread Simon Brouwer
Hi Gavin, Op 11-6-2011 10:59, Gavin McDonald schreef: -Original Message- From: Volker Merschmann [mailto:merschm...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011 6:49 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Hi, I am wearing my OOo-hat

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Leo Simons
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an Apache Incubator project. +1 from me (binding). cheers, Leo

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Am 11.06.2011 06:17, schrieb Keith Curtis: I think LibreOffice people are quiet for various reasons: Everyone here votes on his own behalf, for his own reasons and at the time he feels to be the right time. There is currently no need to vote on anybody's behalf (really - nobody here

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: Ketih, I think Italo is incorrect saying voting no would be a defeat for free software. It is an honest mistake. People don't know what else could happen, because alternatives are not being discussed. They have

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
+0 (non-binding) I would likely have voted +1 if there were no existing Open Source community behind LibreOffice. The alleged(!) necessity to remove/replace LGPL libraries not covered by the Oracle grant will not result in an improved free office suite but only in delays and further

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for the ODF format was not discussed. Yes it was. In fact it was the suggestion that OO.o should

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:23 AM, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: Now that you mention it; the voting started at time (7.02pm local time). Benson Margulies voted at 7.03pm. You voted at 7.05pm. Is the voting start time pre-announced? The voting time was pre-announced on

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Christian Grobmeier
I think Italo is incorrect saying voting no would be a defeat for free software. It is an honest mistake. People don't know what else could happen, because alternatives are not being discussed. They have been discussed. Even at this list. We have discussed to say no to OOo at the ASF. We

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 11, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Simos Xenitellis wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Christian Grobmeier The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for the ODF format was not discussed. This would probably make the Free Software Foundation (FSF) happy. The

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread André Schnabel
-1 (non-binding) Within the discussion several reasons that might support a -1 vote were named, many have been addressed or may be addresed by the podling. I still feel obligated to vote -1 because (even if the podling advances to a Apache TLP) this will be the end of OpenOffice.org as it is

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: [  ] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [  ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation -1. I think by accepting this ASF is risking quite a lot of flak and reputational

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Mark Struberg
Yes, and I also like to correct my previous statement: I actually meant that ALL votes are welcome (not only +1)! LieGrue, strub --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: From: Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name Subject: Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Nóirín Plunkett
+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding) N - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Upayavira
This is such a difficult call. Will OOo at Apache take off sufficiently to contribute something of value to the ecosystem, or will it fail, taking goodwill with it? Will it create division in the community, or does that division already exist, and creating the podling will simply make the fact of

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Simon Phipps
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for the ODF format

Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Joanmarie Diggs
Hi! Sorry for this just-under-the-wire request, but I would love to be added to the list of initial committers if it is not too late. Most of my strengths are around accessibility: Volunteer Job: * Orca project lead (1+ years) and developer (5+ years) * GNOME Accessibility Project assistant to

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Steve Lee
On 10 June 2011 22:28, Joanmarie Diggs joan...@gnome.org wrote: Sorry for this just-under-the-wire request, but I would love to be added to the list of initial committers if it is not too late. Most of my strengths are around accessibility: Volunteer Job: * Orca project lead (1+ years) and

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Sam Ruby
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Steve Lee st...@fullmeasure.co.uk wrote: On 10 June 2011 22:28, Joanmarie Diggs joan...@gnome.org wrote: Sorry for this just-under-the-wire request, but I would love to be added to the list of initial committers if it is not too late. Most of my strengths are

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Steve Lee
On 11 June 2011 15:37, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: The vote has already started, and was based on revision 207 of the wiki page: My apologies. I only just joined so I'll search the archives to find out more. Steve -

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 05:28:59PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: Sorry for this just-under-the-wire request, but I would love to be added to the list of initial committers if it is not too late. Most of my strengths are around accessibility: Volunteer Job: * Orca project lead (1+ years)

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Thorsten Behrens
-1 (non-binding) As stated elsewhere [1], this incubator, combined with the disruption and delay it's causing to the OOo ecosystem, does not add enough unique value to what we already have a TDF to justify the effort. (I'm referring to the existing proposal's mission statement [2], not to the

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Steve Lee
+1 (non-binding) -- Steve Lee Full Measure - open source accessibility - http://fullmeasure.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread donald_harbison
Joanmarie Diggs joanmarie.di...@gmail.com wrote on 06/10/2011 05:28:59 PM: From: Joanmarie Diggs joan...@gnome.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Date: 06/11/2011 10:04 AM Subject: Request to join as initial committer Sent by: Joanmarie Diggs joanmarie.di...@gmail.com Hi! Sorry for

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Steve Lee
On 11 June 2011 17:30, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: Joanmarie Diggs joanmarie.di...@gmail.com wrote on 06/10/2011 05:28:59 PM: Sorry for this just-under-the-wire request, but I would love to be added to the list of initial committers if it is not too late. Most of my strengths are

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Sam, On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation (binding). Good luck! Cheers, Chris

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Christoph Jopp
+1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) At first I thought beeing on the committers list would imply my approval of the proposal. But now I'd like to give the reasons for my vote as so many others did: (All just my point of view as an suburban inhabitant of the old OOo community)

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Scott Wilson
+1 (non-binding) /-/-/-/-/-/ Scott Wilson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?

2011-06-11 Thread Peter Korn
Hi, My name is Peter Korn, and I've been working on accessibility for the last 20 years. I started that career developing assistive technologies for folks with vision impairments, and then moved to Sun where I worked on platform accessibility frameworks.

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Malte Timmermann
On 11.06.2011 18:43, Steve Lee wrote: Very cool. While IBM contributed its accessibility code to Oracle last year, Oracle was unable to fully integrate. We should finish that work if the proposal passes to podling. It looks like this will be an effort you would want to consider working on. This

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Malte Timmermann
Hi Joani, nice to see you joining this project! :) Malte. On 10.06.2011 23:28, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: Hi! Sorry for this just-under-the-wire request, but I would love to be added to the list of initial committers if it is not too late. Most of my strengths are around accessibility:

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Malte Timmermann
+1 (non-binding) Malte. On 10.06.2011 19:05, Sam Ruby wrote: [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?

2011-06-11 Thread Ross Gardler
Hi Peter, The vote is currently open and thus the proposal has been fixed until the end of the vote. Once the vote has completed and the podling PMC has been formed I will ensure your request is processed. Thanks for your interest. Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 11

Re: Request: Can proposed committers introduce themselves?

2011-06-11 Thread Malte Timmermann
Hi Peter, On 11.06.2011 19:49, Peter Korn wrote: I doubt I'll contribute much direct code to the effort, but I look forward to helping with design decisions that affect accessibility. Would be nice to continue working with you on accessibility :) Malte.

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Steve Lee
On 11 June 2011 18:16, Malte Timmermann malte_timmerm...@gmx.com wrote: On 11.06.2011 18:43, Steve Lee wrote: Very cool. While IBM contributed its accessibility code to Oracle last year, Oracle was unable to fully integrate. We should finish that work if the proposal passes to podling. It

Re: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@apache.org wrote: Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos) On 11 Jun 2011, at 11:23, Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com wrote: The part about the ASF undertaking only a reference implementation for the ODF format was

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Malte Timmermann
On 11.06.2011 18:43, Steve Lee wrote: Very cool. While IBM contributed its accessibility code to Oracle last year, Oracle was unable to fully integrate. We should finish that work if the proposal passes to podling. It looks like this will be an effort you would want to consider working on. This

Re: Request to join as initial committer

2011-06-11 Thread Malte Timmermann
Hi Joani, nice to see you joining this project! :) Malte. On 10.06.2011 23:28, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: Hi! Sorry for this just-under-the-wire request, but I would love to be added to the list of initial committers if it is not too late. Most of my strengths are around accessibility:

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Malte Timmermann
+1 (non-binding) Malte. On 10.06.2011 19:05, Sam Ruby wrote: [X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

RE: [DISCUSSION] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't understand the assertions here. It may not matter in the larger scheme of things, but I didn't want some of the assumptions here to go unquestioned. 1. It is certainly the case that the proposal comprehends sustaining OpenOffice.org and continuing it as an Apache project. The

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Eric Charles
[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation Eric On 10/06/11 18:02, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread donald_harbison
+1 (non-binding) - Don Harbison Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote on 06/10/2011 12:02:44 PM: Please cast your votes: [ X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [ ] +0 Indifferent to OpenOffice.org incubation [ ] -1 Reject OpenOffice.org for incubation This vote will close 72

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Richard Hirsch
+1 (binding) Dick On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:06 PM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote: +1 (non-binding) - Don Harbison Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote on 06/10/2011 12:02:44 PM: Please cast your votes: [ X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation [  ] +0 Indifferent to

What is Champion?

2011-06-11 Thread Kazunari Hirano
Hi Sam Ruby san, Thanks for your proposal. http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal As written in the proposal, you are Champion of Apache OpenOffice.org incubator project (Apache calls this podling, right?). What is Champion? What does Champion do? Thanks, khirano

Re: What is Champion?

2011-06-11 Thread dsh
Hi Kazunari, that's an explanation of the role Champion as it can be found at the Apache incubator proposal guide [1]: The Champion is a person already associated with Apache who leads the proposal process. It is common - but not necessary - for the Champion to also be proposed as a Mentor. A

Re: [VOTE] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

2011-06-11 Thread arv...@cloudera.com
This VOTE is now closed. I will be sending out the results in a separate mail soon. Thanks and Regards, Arvind Prabhakar On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 2:37 AM, Michael McCandless luc...@mikemccandless.com wrote: +1 Mike McCandless http://blog.mikemccandless.com On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:39 PM,

[VOTE] [RESULT] Accept Sqoop for Incubation

2011-06-11 Thread arv...@cloudera.com
With 19 +1 votes (11 binding), no -1 votes, and no 0 votes, the vote passes. Binding votes Chris Mattmann Sanjiva Weerawarana Ralph Goers Julien Vermillard Mark Struberg Tommaso Teofili Leo Simons Christian Grobmeier Niall Pemberton Patrick Hunt Tom White Non-binding votes

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread IngridvdM
[x] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) I would like to humbly beg you people from Apache for giving a chance to those who are willing to join you. I am deeply sorry that we are bringing a big political dispute with us. My hope is that the community that was so heavily

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Henri Yandell
+1 (non-binding). I'm not concerned by any the ASF don't do XYZ - there's very little centralization and the pressure will mostly be on the Incubator and then later members@ to ensure 'the Apache way' isn't closeted to programmers. It is a large project; but so what? I thought Harmony had no

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Pedro Giffuni
[X] +1 Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation (non-binding) I like the Apache license and I think having a really free alternative is good for everyone, as much as clang vs gcc and linux vs FreeBSD. Apache is also a good fit for OO technologically and I think the incubation process will end up

Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-11 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
+1 - binding Regards, Alan On Jun 10, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: *** Please change your Subject: line for any [DISCUSSION] of this [VOTE] As the discussions on the OpenOfficeProposal threads seem to be winding down, I would like to initiate the vote to accept OpenOffice.org as an