Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. Lets just imagine if Jim, VP Legal is actually correct in his interpretation, and that there are no AL 2.0 licenses applicable to our source code

[DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-20 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! I would like to start a discussion on accepting HAWQ into ASF Incubator. The proposal is available at: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal and is also attached to the end of this email. Please note, that this proposal is very complementary to the desire of HAWQ's sister

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-20 Thread Youngwoo Kim
Hi Roman, Great news! BTW, it might be a invalid URL for the proposal. Should be https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HAWQProposal ? Thanks, Youngwoo On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: Hi! I would like to start a discussion on accepting HAWQ into ASF

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-20 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:33 PM, 김영우 (Youngwoo Kim) warwit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Roman, Great news! BTW, it might be a invalid URL for the proposal. Should be https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HAWQProposal ? Two may copy-paste buffers strike again :-( Thanks for spotting it so quickly. Yes

[DISCUSS] Horn Incubation Proposal

2015-08-20 Thread Edward J. Yoon
Hi all, We'd like to propose Horn (혼), a fully distributed system for large-scale deep learning as an Apache Incubator project and start the discussion. The complete proposal can be found at: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HornProposal Any advices and helps are welcome! Thanks, Edward. =

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Aug 20, 2015 08:52, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. I want to fix FUD before it infests the rafters and subfloor. I really have never read something so stupid or ill phrased... Every

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Alex Harui
On 8/20/15, 5:27 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: It is generally AL code all the time. I don't know where you invented a 'kick-in' concept, but unless the committers are violating their ICLA/CCLA, nothing could be further from the truth. Committers sometimes make mistakes.

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Aug 20, 2015 8:19 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On Aug 20, 2015 7:39 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 8/20/15, 5:27 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: It is generally AL code all the time. I don't know where you invented a 'kick-in'

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Benson Margulies
This thread started as a discussion of Linux distros and trademarks. Perhaps I could try to return it there? If a distro takes a release of Apache X, compiles it with minimal changes that adapt it to the environment, and distributes it, I believe that it's a fine thing for them to call it simple

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:37 PM, Ross Gardler ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: I do not agree with this interpretation when viewed from a legal angle (though I do agree from a trademark angle). I have a feeling that the root of my disagreement is the same as the root of Jim's earlier

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
I think it is somewhat amusing, that this is actually discussed ~20years after Apache group is formed. A newcomer must be flabbergasted that this isn't clear cut by now... ;-) // Niclas On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Ross Gardler ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote: I do not agree with this

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:03 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: This thread started as a discussion of Linux distros and trademarks. Perhaps I could try to return it there? If a distro takes a release of Apache X, compiles it with minimal changes that adapt it to the

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Christopher ctubb...@apache.org wrote: It sounds to me like you're saying that the license under which code is offered (to anybody who encounters it) is independent of the license declaration attached to the project. No, the license is that which was granted

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Christopher
It sounds to me like you're saying that the license under which code is offered (to anybody who encounters it) is independent of the license declaration attached to the project. This makes sense to me, presuming that we still agree that the license declaration (header or license file) is the best

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread sebb
AFAIK a SNAPSHOT has not been voted on and is therefore not a formal ASF release. So for example this would cover CI builds that deploy jars to the ASF Maven SNAPSHOT repo. On 20 August 2015 at 23:33, Mike Kienenberger mkien...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Gavin McDonald

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Aug 20, 2015 7:39 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 8/20/15, 5:27 PM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: It is generally AL code all the time. I don't know where you invented a 'kick-in' concept, but unless the committers are violating their ICLA/CCLA, nothing could

RE: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Ross Gardler
I do not agree with this interpretation when viewed from a legal angle (though I do agree from a trademark angle). I have a feeling that the root of my disagreement is the same as the root of Jim's earlier statement (though I may be mistaken). There are two points of IP due diligence in an

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:06 AM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: There are some special things here we do have absolute control over. If a project wants to provide the 'official' build, why not start signing the .jar? Good idea, but to be practical to users, the certificate for

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. Are you sure? When you have a public source control repo, with a LICENSE file at the top, I would think that this counts as a legal

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. There is also a trademark issue as well... only the ASF can declare something as a release. On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:50 PM, Roman Shaposhnik ro...@shaposhnik.org wrote: Hi! while answering a question on

Re: [DISCUSS] HAWQ Incubation Proposal

2015-08-20 Thread Ted Dunning
Drill is implemented entirely in Java. This isn't core to the proposal, but it would be better corrected. On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:33 PM, 김영우 (Youngwoo Kim) warwit...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Roman, Great news! BTW, it might be a invalid URL for the proposal. Should be

Re: [DISCUSS] Horn Incubation Proposal

2015-08-20 Thread ooibc
Hi, I am an initial committer of Apache(incubating) SINGA (http://singa.incubator.apache.org/) Both SINGA and the proposal follow the general parameter-server architecture: workers for computing gradients; servers for parameter updating. SINGA has implemented the model and data

Re: [DISCUSS] Horn Incubation Proposal

2015-08-20 Thread Edward J. Yoon
multiple worker groups for asynchronous training---data parallelism; and multiple workers in one group for synchronous training---model parallelism. So, it's basically execution of the multiple asynchronous BSP (Bulk Synchronous Parallel) jobs. This can be simply handled within only single BSP

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-20 Thread William A Rowe Jr
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 8:09 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:06 AM, William A Rowe Jr wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: There are some special things here we do have absolute control over. If a project wants to provide the 'official' build, why not start

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. Are you sure? When you have a public source control

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Gavin McDonald
On 20 Aug 2015, at 2:52 pm, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: Coming in late. A snapshot is not a release. Licenses kick in at distribution/ release. Interesting. So what do we do about all the rc1|rc2|rcx ,alphas, betas and Milestone ‘releases’ that are on our official mirrors

Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

2015-08-20 Thread Mike Kienenberger
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Gavin McDonald ga...@16degrees.com.au wrote: So what do we do about all the rc1|rc2|rcx ,alphas, betas and Milestone ‘releases’ that are on our official mirrors right now? (Because they would have been voted on as a ‘’release’’ for the projects to put them