Re: key signing

2012-10-08 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: There's another side to this, which I would derisively label, 'so what'? How does it help a user to see that my key is signed by 27 of my

Re: key signing

2012-10-08 Thread Benson Margulies
alternatives that avoid the need for the user to be a WoT participant, such as taking advantage of KEYS files and the like. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: On Mon, Oct 8

Re: key signing

2012-10-08 Thread Benson Margulies
Let's try a little statistically-invalid experiment of sample size one. The last time I had a key signed at Apache, it was by Dan Kulp. Now, pretend that you are a suspicious user of one of the many Maven plugins releases that I RM. Can you reach Dan from yourself in the web? Is there anyone you,

Re: key signing - issues

2012-10-07 Thread Benson Margulies
Shane, After reading all the responses, I'm no longer very interested in pushing the idea of key signing. I am much more interested in explaining to users the existence and use of the LDAP keys. We can explain: If something is signed with a key associated with an Apache committer via the Apache

jspwiki

2012-10-07 Thread Benson Margulies
So, I voted for the release without making a detailed IP check (just signatures, buildability, etc) based on the state in the clutch. We seem to have a problem here. I've pinged two of the mentors here chosen by people in my gmail 'to' cache; could we get some input?

Re: jspwiki

2012-10-07 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my tablet On Oct 7, 2012 10:08 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: So, I voted for the release without making a detailed IP check (just signatures, buildability, etc) based on the state

Re: jspwiki

2012-10-07 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Luciano Resende luckbr1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my tablet On Oct 7, 2012 10:08 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: So, I voted for the release without making

Re: jspwiki

2012-10-07 Thread Benson Margulies
What I want to know about this is whether incubator.apache.org/clutch is lying to me when it claims that this project has released before. I do see that you indicated elsewhere in this thread that you did misinterpret that aspect of the table. Is there something that we can do to make it

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Isis podling from Apache Incubator

2012-10-05 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Oct 5, 2012, at 5:20 AM, Mark Struberg strub...@yahoo.de wrote: +1 LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Dan Haywood d...@haywood-associates.co.uk To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: [VOTE] Graduate Isis podling

Re: [VOTE] JSPWiki version 2.9.0-incubating

2012-10-05 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (IPMC member) On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez juanpa...@apache.org wrote: http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/jspwiki/KEYS - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-05 Thread Benson Margulies
Briefly ... The process that produced Jukka was not a pretty one, and I was rather ashamed of myself by the end of it. So, if any other qualified candidate is available, my inclination is to defer to them. However, it's not for me to tell the community what to do. If the community prefers to run

Re: Preparing for the October reports

2012-10-05 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm sorry, a work obligation overtook me. I'll have a look around for future reference at my assignments. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Preparing for the October reports

2012-10-05 Thread Benson Margulies
of those dev lists which is 90% JIRA traffic. ODFToolkit, on the other hand, seems to have a metadata problem. It shows no total committers and one new committer. Does anyone understand that? Otherwise, all their boxes are green. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul

Re: key signing

2012-10-05 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez juanpablo.san...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, picking up Benson's initial question, just my 2c: how about encouraging a key signing party (or something alike, but more informal and/or with fewer people) through general@i.a.o for every

Re: key signing

2012-10-05 Thread Benson Margulies
Craig, I appreciate the general scheme of signing. It seems as if we have two approaches to key trust. One is the in-person web of trust, and the other is the CLA - account - key-in-ldap/svn. Given the Foundations' emphasis on geographic diversity, the later seems to me to be more appropriate. I

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-03 Thread Benson Margulies
, 2012 at 4:09 AM, Dan Haywood d...@haywood-associates.co.uk wrote: On 3 October 2012 07:47, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: Let's fix this: I nominate Benson Margulies as Incubator PMC chair. Benson's been actively involved in the Incubator for quite a while, has mentored

Re: [VOTE] JSPWiki version 2.9.0-incubating

2012-10-03 Thread Benson Margulies
I will do an exam this evening when I get where I'm going. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez juanpablo.san...@gmail.com wrote: Hi again, we have to submit our IPMC Board report this month, and it would be real nice if we could say that we have enough (or at least

Re: Graduate with blocked release?

2012-10-03 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Scott Wilson scott.bradley.wil...@gmail.com wrote: We recently started the process of taking Wookie to graduation, however the current Wookie release is blocked pending the resolution of a crypto export issue [1]. My question is: can we proceed with

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Podling frequently check in dubious IP as part of initial imports, and then clean up HEAD later. I've never seen any evidence of a more thorough extirpation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: New challenges (Was: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)

2012-10-01 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Jukka Zitting wrote on Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 00:06:38 +0200: PPS. It would be nice if we could use Apache Steve for the election. Volunteers? Seems a bit premature. Let's see if we have more than one candidate. So

Re: [VOTE] [PMC] Starting Membership for Apache OpenOffice PMC

2012-10-01 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 7:58 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: FYI - This is being done in public! Who or what is an RGB.ES? Don't PMC members have to disclose an identity? Regards, Dave Begin forwarded message: From: Andrew Rist andrew.r...@oracle.com Date: October 1, 2012

Re: [VOTE] [PMC] Starting Membership for Apache OpenOffice PMC

2012-10-01 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: No, just like Upayavira doesn't. Oh, I thought he was just a person-of-single-name, like a number of people I've met (often from Indonesia). From: Benson Margulies bimargul

Re: [VOTE] [IP clearance] OpenDDR resources file donation to DeviceMap podling

2012-09-28 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Andrus Adamchik and...@objectstyle.org wrote: Hi Bertrand, OpenDDR combining forces with DeviceMap is great news! And having the resource file will make it very useful immediately. Regarding this vote.. While the original wurfl.xml was clearly open source,

Re: [VOTE] Apache Cordova (incubating) 2.1.0

2012-09-24 Thread Benson Margulies
On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: Speaking as CouchDB's RM, I would consider missing license headers a blocker. Are rules more lax within the Incubator? In the incubator, minor problems of this sort are non-blocking. They per-file notices are suspenders

Re: Openmeetings - A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Benson Margulies
Does anyone seriously believe that IP notices are required in files like these? These files cannot be copyrighted because they do not have any 'creative' content. If they can't be copyrighted, they can't be licensed. And, even it were otherwise, the notices at the top of the tree are sufficient.

Re: September Reports

2012-09-13 Thread Benson Margulies
. We still have the following reviews to do: Benson Margulies - Cordova, Flex, S4 Jukka Zitting- OpenOffice Matt Franklin- Isis, NPanday, Wave Matt Hogstrom- Bigtop, Openmeetings I'm a bit late myself too [*], so it's still fine if you can complete the reviews by tonight

Re: September Reports

2012-09-13 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Sat, Sep 8, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Let me know if you won't have time for the review by Wednesday. We still have the following reviews to do: Benson Margulies

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Jim, Two points: 1: you skip over the liability question. Is Bill legally exposed? 2: You can't distribute a binary application to the Mac App store, or other places, without a signature. Some complex requirements for using an Apache signature have been posed; I don't know why Donald

Re: downloading external dependencies outside of svn.apache.org

2012-08-27 Thread Benson Margulies
You can also use OSSRH to push more jars to central. On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Many projects in a similar situation ship a deps package that contains dependencies and distribute those from the mirrors. HTH

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Benson Margulies
Sigh. Apache is a volunteer organization with a history and a culture. As a volunteer organization, it cannot possibly create and maintain a set of documents that describe every bit of cultural norm and historical context. New committers on existing projects learn from their communities. Podling

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-26 Thread Benson Margulies
Joe, I know very well (and you know that I know) that I can edit most of the things that appear on our web site. But if community-oriented means that anyone should just edit those docs to scratch an itch and to hell with consensus and the consequences, then you're right, I'm definitely a

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-25 Thread Benson Margulies
I submit that this sub-thread has reached the end of its useful lifetime. The IPMC's view of binaries is clear, and the IPMC believes that its views reflect the will of the board. 'Official' binaries, like binaries signed with a certificate with the Foundation's name on it, are not currently

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-24 Thread Benson Margulies
This policy is enshrined in the original foundation articles of incorporation, and has been restated, over and over, by board members. Most colorfully by Roy T. Fielding, who was 'present at the birth.' Many are sympathetic to the AOO situation, and this is why the suggestion from the VP legal

A request/suggestion for shepherds: be firm about IP clearance

2012-08-23 Thread Benson Margulies
After my recent adventure sorting out Kato's IP clearance, I have an intention as a shepherd, and I'd like to suggest that others pick it up, as well. If a podling has not filled in the IP clearance field on their status page, ask them what's going on, and ask them to report the status in their

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-21 Thread Benson Margulies
I would like to offer a very loud +1 to Bertrand's email. Here we are on a community graduation vote thread. This sub-discussion would seem to lead to one of three outcomes: 1) No place new. AOO proceeds out of the incubator operating under the current regime, and those AOO community members who

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 (incubating) RC2

2012-08-21 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Thilo Goetz twgo...@gmx.de wrote: On 21/08/12 13:59, Branko Čibej wrote: On 21.08.2012 12:52, sebb wrote: I think the NOTICE problems are serious enough to warrant a respin. This is an

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

2012-08-20 Thread Benson Margulies
Officially, no Apache project has ever, ever, released a binary. Apache projects have published convenience binaries to accompany their releases, which have been, by definition, source. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Old projects with incomplete copyright diligence

2012-08-18 Thread Benson Margulies
flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, On Tuesday, August 14, 2012, Benson Margulies wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Just because it was released doesn't

Karmic authority needed to proceed with Kato Retirement

2012-08-18 Thread Benson Margulies
I don't have karma to mess with svn. Can someone who does please set Kato's SVN to Read-Only? I've done the necessary research into the IP situation. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

File names in documents/grants

2012-08-18 Thread Benson Margulies
Would it be reasonable to suggest that the file names of grants in documents/grants reflect the target project, somehow? Just having them named after the grantor makes it a bit hard to track things down. If not, now about some sort of readme file in the directory to which pointers could be added?

Re: Karmic authority needed to proceed with Kato Retirement

2012-08-18 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 1:36 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 August 2012 18:20, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have karma to mess with svn. Can someone who does please set Kato's SVN to Read-Only? I've done the necessary research into the IP situation. Done

Re: Old projects with incomplete copyright diligence

2012-08-14 Thread Benson Margulies
. I volunteered to deal with all this as an expansion of a Shepherd assignment. I confess that I'm feeling a bit whelmed. Hen On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Henri, Ant pointed out that Kato released. Where is the signoff you are looking

Re: Retiring kato

2012-08-13 Thread Benson Margulies
I need some more help here. The IPMC approved a release of kato, but no one ever updated the status page to reflect copyright clearance. What shall I do? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For

Re: Old projects with incomplete copyright diligence

2012-08-12 Thread Benson Margulies
Henri, Ant pointed out that Kato released. Where is the signoff you are looking at? --benson On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Henri Yandell flame...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Kevan Miller kevan.mil...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 7, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:

Re: Preparing for August report

2012-08-09 Thread Benson Margulies
. Here's the latest TODO list: And an updated one: Benson Margulies - Syncope, Nuvem Dave Fisher - DeltaSpike Matt Franklin- Droids Matt Hogstrom- SIS, Wookie Mohammad Nour- Airavata Ross Gardler - Wink That's quite a few reports still to review

Re: Preparing for August report

2012-08-09 Thread Benson Margulies
VCL has escaped the incubator while I was being slow. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I reviewed Syncope and found no cause for concern with their report. On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 8:31 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: I reviewed

Re: Preparing for August report

2012-08-09 Thread Benson Margulies
Nuvem seems adequately described. The report comment about small size and slow growth seems accurate, but there's at least an active mentor in the house and some things are happening. On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: VCL has escaped the incubator

Re: Incubator release task force

2012-08-08 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 5:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ...I'd like to start fixing this by forming a release task force of a handful of volunteers who are ready to invest an hour or two

Re: Shutting down

2012-08-02 Thread Benson Margulies
/mod_mbox/incubator-kato-dev/200903.mbox/%3c71e1b5740903160445r4e9b9911m480860a46b0dd...@mail.gmail.com%3E ...ant On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I see that incubator.apache.org/clutch does not reveal the IP clearance status of projects. I need

Re: cleaning up clutch?

2012-08-02 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:29 PM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote: Benson Margulies wrote: Please remind me of how to edit the clutch. It has an obsolete remark about river. Clutch just needs to be re-run occasionally. See http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html#notes Regarding

Shutting down

2012-08-01 Thread Benson Margulies
TWIMC, Some weeks ago, after receiving no responses to email to this projects' lists, the IPMC voted to shut down this podling. Since you did not complete IP clearance, this calls for deleting any source from svn. I'll do this in about a week, along with other cleanup. --benson margulies

Re: Shutting down

2012-08-01 Thread Benson Margulies
I see that incubator.apache.org/clutch does not reveal the IP clearance status of projects. I need some help here. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:15 AM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Benson, AFAIK all the IP

cleaning up clutch?

2012-08-01 Thread Benson Margulies
Please remind me of how to edit the clutch. It has an obsolete remark about river. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Shutting down

2012-08-01 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 8:49 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I see that incubator.apache.org/clutch does not reveal the IP clearance status of projects. I need some help here. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 7:17 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 1, 2012

Re: Incubator release task force

2012-07-26 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: Marvin, While I (think I) can understand your concern (that it should be the mentors who are reviewing releases, not yet another group), I'd suggest that Jukka's approach might be a way to get there. The incubator release

Re: [VOTE] Apache Lucene.Net graduation from the incubator

2012-07-23 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (mentor) On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:08 AM, Stefan Bodewig bode...@apache.org wrote: +1 Stefan On 2012-07-21, Prescott Nasser wrote: Hey all, The Lucene.Net community feels ready to graudate. Our internal vote was a success (~40 +1's and a bit of a mess because we had a number of mailing

Re: Incubation state transitions and stuck projects (Was: February report review)

2012-07-17 Thread Benson Margulies
Here are some thoughts about this based on my particular experiences. So I won't preface each particular observation with 'In my experience.' There is a narrative around the Foundation about 'Diversity'. The narrative goes like this: once upon a time, one (or more) projects were predominantly

Re: Incubation state transitions and stuck projects (Was: February report review)

2012-07-17 Thread Benson Margulies
http://javaadventure.blogspot.ie/2012/07/do-you-want-to-become-maven-committer.html is an example that comdev might want to propagate? On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Here are some thoughts about this based on my particular experiences. So I

Re: What does 'project sponsorship' mean now?

2012-07-17 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Rich Bowen rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote: On Jul 11, 2012, at 12:15 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: ...my 2 cents would be to make it optional - keep it where theres a synergy and

What does 'project sponsorship' mean now?

2012-07-05 Thread Benson Margulies
A thread on the subject of EasyAnt highlighted some perplexity for me, and I think that it deserves a thread of its own. Once upon a time, the Foundation had a set of 'Umbrella projects'. These were PMCs that managed a collection of 'sub-projects', each considered a relatively independent

Re: Preparing for July report

2012-07-05 Thread Benson Margulies
I probably should have been clearer about my mediocre availability for Shepherding activities until 17 July. I will be happy to become a burr under the saddle of these projects as needed them, but I'm not in a position to be helpful in beating reports out of them. On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 12:22

[VOTE] [RESULT] Kato

2012-07-05 Thread Benson Margulies
I count 11 binding votes for, 1 non-binding vote for, and no other contributions to the process. Barring any surprises, I plan to look for help in executing the retirement process when I return on 17 July. On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going

Re: UMA Implementation

2012-07-04 Thread Benson Margulies
to be your 'champion' for this purpose if you decide to go here, or perhaps some other member of the Incubator PMC will step up who has an interest. Thanks, Benson Margulies On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Suleman Khan sule...@sit.fraunhofer.de wrote: Dear All, In Fraunhofer AISEC, we developed

Re: Shepherd for EasyAnt

2012-07-04 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On Jul 3, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Nicolas Lalevée wrote: Le 3 juil. 2012 à 19:00, Jukka Zitting a écrit : Hi, On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Nicolas Lalevée nicolas.lale...@hibnet.org wrote: The primary target for

Re: [VOTE] Retire AWF from incubation

2012-07-04 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Roger Schildmeijer schildmei...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, The AWF community has voted to retire the project. Following the retirement guide [1], I now call the Incubator PMC to vote on confirming this decision. (Will be open for 72 hours). [ ] +1 Retire the

Re: [VOTE] Retire Kato

2012-07-01 Thread Benson Margulies
, 2012, at 7:29 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: Based on the status of this podling as reported in the June board report, I propose that the IPMC retire the Kato podling. I'm not sure how long a vote for this should remain open. here is my +1

Re: Shepherding: chukwa, mesos, directmemory

2012-07-01 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Let me try this again. Chuckwa looks pretty normal; report in place, traffic on mailing list. I don't see any particular cause

[VOTE] Retire Kato

2012-06-26 Thread Benson Margulies
Based on the status of this podling as reported in the June board report, I propose that the IPMC retire the Kato podling. I'm not sure how long a vote for this should remain open. here is my +1. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[DISCUSS] Kato to the attic?

2012-06-11 Thread Benson Margulies
Wearing the very small hat of shepherd, I write to start a discussion of moving Kato to the attic. The last sign of activity was at the last reporting period, and the only activity then was for one contributor to note that he had really no time to spend on the project and the future needed to be

Re: Isis status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of June2012 by DanHaywood)

2012-06-09 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks for the report, Isis! On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Apache Wiki wikidi...@apache.org wrote: +   - only really one issue: need to demonstrate can bring in at least one +     new committer.  At that

Re: diversity

2012-06-05 Thread Benson Margulies
The diversity (so-called) requirement is often stated in terms of the risk of the project being stranded if a company changes course. From what I see around the Foundation, this is usually a risk much akin to the risk of all the air molecules congregating in one corner of the room at the board

Re: Flume Graduation (was Re: June reports in two weeks)

2012-05-29 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Shane Curcuru a...@shanecurcuru.org wrote: Doesn't the IPMC (and not any individuals, even Roy) decide what the official Incubation policies should be?  Ralph's reply, and my general reading of the feeling in the IPMC is that graduation votes *should* take

Re: Open enrollment

2012-05-28 Thread Benson Margulies
I know that I, and I think that Marvin, got a bit distracted by their exact choice of wording. I join him in agreeing with you that the people proposing a podling should be entitled, no, encouraged, to control their list of initial collaborators. Also note the other email in this thread about

Re: Open enrollment

2012-05-27 Thread Benson Margulies
Ross, I can see why my 'sandbag' approach makes you uncomfortable. I've suggested it once or twice when a proposed podling had a lot of interested parties already involved. This is a two-edged situation. On the one hand, instant size and diversity. On the other hand, that may represent the pool

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-26 Thread Benson Margulies
So, what message here should the incubator send a podling, or the foundation send a TLP? I really don't mean this as a rhetorical question at all, I'm honestly puzzled. In the case of Lucene, I've been hanging out for months, and I feel perfectly confident that it's a healthy community by any

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-26 Thread Benson Margulies
Marvin, I am at your disposal to collaborate on something here; note my reply at infrastructure@. It seems to me that this thread would largely go better over there, now that the caveat that 'a podling run entirely on JIRA may have community problems' has been delivered. --benson

Re: [DISCUSS] Crunch to join the Apache Incubator

2012-05-26 Thread Benson Margulies
I'll see Jukka one and raise him one. I have advised potential podlings to be very conservative with their initial list, and keep some potential contributors in their collective back pocket. This gives them a ready-made source of community growth, which is typically the scarcest and most precious

JIRA and communities

2012-05-25 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Steve Loughran steve.lough...@gmail.com wrote: On 24 May 2012 06:15, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I've met other groups of people who like a JIRA centric view of the world. I suspect that if they did a bunch of other good things called out

Re: [VOTE] Accept Crunch into the Apache Incubator

2012-05-24 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (binding) ... And a friendly reminder to the ppmc via their mentors -- in response to that email about limiting the initial committers to a tight group. They will soon be learning that the big challenge of incubation is not writing a lot of code, its recruiting new faces. They'll want to

Re: Flume Graduation (was Re: June reports in two weeks)

2012-05-23 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote: Right after I read Jukka's email that started this thread and I posted my reply and discovered to my shock that they had started a graduation vote.  I am shocked because I have pointed out repeatedly the project's

Re: Policy for new committers to podlings

2012-05-18 Thread Benson Margulies
Yes, thank you both. Every so often maxwel's daemon sends all the google results to the wrong side of the internet for me. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Billie J Rinaldi billie.j.rina...@ugov.gov wrote: On Friday, May 18, 2012 2:03:39 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm

Re: Shepherds for podling reports

2012-05-08 Thread Benson Margulies
I was late to volunteer. Do you have any leftover projects? On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: I've done my shepherd reviews and made one comment (about Amber) on this list). I'm not sure where you want general observations recording but I have moved

Re: Shepherds for podling reports

2012-05-08 Thread Benson Margulies
Well, the Wiki page explicitly says that the chair will assign. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: No such thing as leftover. Doubling up (or more) is just fine. Q is whether there are some under-reviewed... On May 8, 2012 6:40 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul

Re: Shepherds for podling reports

2012-05-05 Thread Benson Margulies
If you don't want to be a Shepherd, don't sign up. The board asked us to do a better job of reviewing reports and detecting mentor deficiencies. This is a plan to accomplish that. - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Mentor cleanup

2012-05-03 Thread Benson Margulies
 Lucene.NET  - active: Stefan Bodewig  - inactive: Benson Margulies, Gianugo Rabellino Guilty as charged. I didn't even realize that I was a mentor until comparatively recently, and I keep thinking that they will graduate any minute. I'm not set up to test their releases at the moment. Can

Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator

2012-04-16 Thread Benson Margulies
Graduation is very much *not* about maturity of the code, and very much about maturity of the community. 2012/4/16 Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez juanpablo.san...@gmail.com: Hi Ross, no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of conversations too. I will try to -briefly-

Re: Question about downloading binaries

2012-04-02 Thread Benson Margulies
Karl, I hope that you are making this too hard. We don't care about the contents of someone else's binaries. If you make and deploy a -deps package of third-party binaries, as a convenience for your users, it can contain any strange mixture of sources and binaries it contains. If you provide a

Re: Question about downloading binaries

2012-04-02 Thread Benson Margulies
. Karl On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:14 PM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2012 17:53, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Karl, I hope that you are making this too hard. We don't care about the contents of someone else's binaries. If you make and deploy a -deps  package of third

Re: [IMPC] [VOTE] Graduate Apache Jena as a Top Level Project

2012-04-02 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 binding mentor On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote: ...We ask that the IPMC approve this graduation request though this VOTE. [X ] +1 Recommend to the ASF Board that Apache

Re: Question about downloading binaries

2012-04-02 Thread Benson Margulies
Karl, I'm exceedingly sorry here that the IPMC as a whole let you down by not turning into these issues and dealing with them at the outset. There's been a lot of sensitivity expressed lately to Apache projects stepping on each other's toes. Personally, I have no objection to including mutant

Re: [VOTE] Release Jena LARQ 1.0.0-incubating

2012-04-02 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Paolo Castagna castagna.li...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, here is a vote on a release for Apache Jena LARQ module: jena-larq-1.0.0-incubating. Please vote to approve this release:   [ ] +1 Approve the release   [ ]  0 Don't care   [ ] -1 Don't release,

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-30 Thread Benson Margulies
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 10:34 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Roy T. Fielding field...@gbiv.com wrote: Yes, it's called a -deps package, and individuals occasionally produce them and even redistribute them from our servers (as

Re: Binary dependencies in source releases (Was: [VOTE] Release ManifoldCF 0.5-incubating, RC0)

2012-03-28 Thread Benson Margulies
Roy, Of course you, personally, can't be expected to supervise all projects or fix all documentation. At the same time, there's something a little depressing about the situation. On the one hand, the principle at work here is, to paraphrase you, absolutely central to the defined mission of the

Re: Simplifying podling infra

2012-03-26 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Currently new podlings have most of their infrastructure (lists, web site, svn, etc.) set up under incubator.apache.org and repos/asf/incubator. As a consequence they need to perform an extra

Accumulo graduation vote?

2012-03-11 Thread Benson Margulies
Folks, I'm a little puzzled by the lack of response here. No one's objecting, but not much of anyone's voting +1, either. The board meeting looms. Not that it would be the end of the world if it takes another month, but they'd just as soon get on with it. --benson

Re: Accumulo graduation vote?

2012-03-11 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 5:29 PM, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Folks, I'm a little puzzled by the lack of response here. No one's objecting, but not much of anyone's voting +1, either. The board meeting

Re: [DISCUSS] - Packages renaming and backward compatibility (was: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator)

2012-03-08 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: Leo, are you out there? Hmm? Oh, this again... Having company

Re: [DISCUSS] - Packages renaming and backward compatibility (was: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator)

2012-03-08 Thread Benson Margulies
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Alex Karasulu akaras...@apache.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Apache Accumulo to TLP

2012-03-08 Thread Benson Margulies
I'm willing to be added or voted if the community wants to keep me around. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Billie J Rinaldi billie.j.rina...@ugov.gov wrote: Please vote on recommending the graduation of Apache Accumulo with

Re: Thoughts on Incubator board reports

2012-03-08 Thread Benson Margulies
Jukka's recent email and activity are precisely what I was hoping for when I joined the chorus of voices for new leadership. On this thread, I have a thought or two. Of the podlings I have known, most required very little supervision. The single largest exception has always been getting the first

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