RE: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-14 Thread Chen, Pei
Really is it so bad to say to a project with a bug in their license and notice info: fix this in trunk and show me the revision and I'll go ahead and approve your release as-is. Running through iterations of this is very labor-intensive for the project, and anything we can do to cut down

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-14 Thread Joe Schaefer
: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews On 1/14/13 9:20 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: The thing is Alex, all of this effort to dot our i's and cross our t's on the legal issues really is only for the benefit of major corporations who want

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-14 Thread Benson Margulies
...@yahoo.com; general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews On 1/14/13 9:20 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: The thing is Alex, all of this effort

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-14 Thread Ted Dunning
...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews On 1/14/13 7:01 AM, Chen, Pei pei.c...@childrens.harvard.edu wrote: Really is it so bad to say to a project with a bug in their license and notice info: fix

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-13 Thread Benson Margulies
releases is IMO worthwhile. From: Sergio Fernández sergio.fernan...@salzburgresearch.at To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-13 Thread Andy Seaborne
On 13/01/13 12:45, Benson Margulies wrote: ... 3. Most of the reviewing in this area is done by sebb. We're lucky to have him paying attention to this at all, because it sure seems sometimes as if no one else does. Adding all of this up, I've got a very modest proposal. Let's create a

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-13 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Why are podlings having so much trouble getting the legal metadata correct? * Our documentation on legal metadata is ill-organized, voluminous, and ultimately overwhelming. * The NOTICE construct is

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-13 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 4:45 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: 1. Why are podlings having so much trouble getting the legal metadata correct? * Our documentation on legal metadata is

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-13 Thread Craig L Russell
We can also add a checklist item to the top level checklists, to be done as part of the source migration: Add LICENSE and NOTICE files to the top level repository directory. [I don't know if there is anything more specific than that, because where a project is using project/trunk,

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-13 Thread Craig L Russell
There have been many opinions expressed over the last few years about what constitutes a release. At least one opinion was that having the source in SCM that is freely available constitutes release and therefore best practice is to mark the source directory with the appropriate source

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-13 Thread Benson Margulies
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: There have been many opinions expressed over the last few years about what constitutes a release. At least one opinion was that having the source in SCM that is freely available constitutes release and therefore

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-13 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: Just think about this for a second, what's more likely for people to start suing us over, some bug in the NOTICE file or an undetected backdoor in one of our programs? I am personally far more concerned about the

[DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
One of my long time pet peeves with how we PMC members participate in vetting releases is our penchant for focusing too much on the policies surrounding license and notice info. I really think our exclusive focus on things that really don't pose any organizational risk to either the org nor the

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
I agree with you on this Joe. A lot of times my metric is more responsiveness and participation than in legal/language intricacies. More power to folks who are good at that, it's just not me. Cheers, Chris On 1/12/13 9:07 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote: One of my long time pet

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
priorities about release reviews I agree with you on this Joe. A lot of times my metric is more responsiveness and participation than in legal/language intricacies. More power to folks who are good at that, it's just not me. Cheers, Chris On 1/12/13 9:07 AM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
joe_schae...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews I agree with you on this Joe. A lot of times my metric is more responsiveness and participation than in legal/language intricacies. More power to folks who are good

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
: Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov To: general@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews Totally agree, Joe. Cheers

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Sergio Fernández
Joe, personally I appreciate such policies checking from the IPMC members. The technical quality of a release is responsibility of the project itself, which could be hard to be evaluated by people working on other topics. Therefore, all additional checkpoints are useful and grateful.

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Joe Schaefer
is IMO worthwhile. From: Sergio Fernández sergio.fernan...@salzburgresearch.at To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Dave Fisher
] Expressing priorities about release reviews Joe, personally I appreciate such policies checking from the IPMC members. The technical quality of a release is responsibility of the project itself, which could be hard to be evaluated by people working on other topics. Therefore, all additional

Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews

2013-01-12 Thread Craig L Russell
@incubator.apache.org Cc: Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Expressing priorities about release reviews Joe, personally I appreciate such policies checking from the IPMC members. The technical quality of a release