Thanks Noel, and thanks everyone in the incubator for all the help and
support over the past year!
-T
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Congratulations to the Pivot community. This is a welcomed event. :-)
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The vote has passed with 10 +1 votes (all binding) and no 0 or -1 votes.
Here are the votes:
+1 Leo Simons
+1 Martijn Dashorst
+1 Bertrand Delacretaz
+1 Jukka Zitting
+1 Niall Pemberton
+1 Ralph Goers
+1 Niclas Hedhman
+1 Kevan Miller
+1 Alan D. Cabrera
+1 David Crossley
Thank you for
Todd Volkert wrote:
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
Apache Pivot top-level project.
Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
recommendations to the Board at the December Board meeting.
+1
-David
On Nov 17, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:
Hi all,
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
Apache Pivot top-level project.
Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
recommendations to the Board at the December Board meeting.
Hi all,
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
Apache Pivot top-level project.
Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
recommendations to the Board at the December Board meeting.
[ ] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
[ ] 0, I don't care
[ ] -1,
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert tvolk...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
Apache Pivot top-level project.
+1 from me!
cheers,
Leo
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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert tvolk...@gmail.com wrote:
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
Apache Pivot top-level project.
+1 from me!
cheers,
Leo
[X ] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
Congrats!
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Hi,
[x] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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+1
Niall
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert tvolk...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
Apache Pivot top-level project.
Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
recommendations to the Board at
On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Todd Volkert wrote:
Hi all,
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
Apache Pivot top-level project.
Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
recommendations to the Board at the December Board meeting.
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Todd Volkert tvolk...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
Apache Pivot top-level project.
Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
recommendations to the Board at the December
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
[x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
If this vote is still on, I would like to change my vote to +0. This
vote seems to have sparked a lot of new activity in Pivot, addressing
my concerns. My
Ok, let's do this; I hereby call off the vote and will restart it next
month, unless the increase of activity is not sustained...
Cheers
Niclas
On Aug 8, 2009 6:43 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Niclas Hedhmannic...@hedhman.org wrote:
Would it make a difference, if I step up and make the initial PMC Chair, as
I have over the last couple of weeks started my own commitment to the
project?
My main concern is over the small number of people writing
2009/8/5 Ralph Goers ralph.go...@dslextreme.com:
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertrand
Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
listen to the community?
That's
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a community
perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like Apache
projects. But even if he did, by these standards the projects might
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a community
perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like Apache
projects. But even if he did, by these
eryzhikov didn't come with the team afaik, but his commits are from
historical imports.
Martijn
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr.wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote:
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
Scherlerthorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es
For the record, I'm -1, i'd like to see a bit more diversity of the
active committers to show this is operating as an Apache project
should.
...ant
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Niclas Hedhmannic...@hedhman.org wrote:
Gang,
Apache Pivot is one of the fastest moving codebases at Apache,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Greg Browngkbr...@mac.com wrote:
It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a VMware project.
Todd and I work on Pivot on our own time. We just happen to work for the
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph
Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a
community
perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like Apache
projects.
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com
wrote:
Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a
community
perspective because Ceki has no
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
You won't find the second part solely from the commit log. I would expect
mentors to be monitoring the dev list. If it is filled with can you fix
this? then there is a problem. But if it also has why did you do
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Thorsten
Scherlerthorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 11:23 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote:
...
Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in
the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Ralph
Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
You won't find the second part solely from the commit log. I would
expect
mentors to be monitoring the dev list. If it is filled with can
you fix
this? then
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
We are looking for projects with at least three independent
committers, and personally I'm not including inactive committers in
that count.
Now you are making
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com
snip
That's why I measure the three
AFAIK Nowhere in the policy it is stated that committer activity ==
code commits.
Martijn
On Wednesday, August 5, 2009, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Jukka Zitting
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Martijn
Dashorstmartijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK Nowhere in the policy it is stated that committer activity ==
code commits.
True, but that's how I interpret it, for reasons stated earlier in this thread.
My -1 in the Pivot vote is just a statement
On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
AFAIK Nowhere in the policy it is stated that committer activity ==
code commits.
Martijn
Absolutely right. I'd actually like to see more than 3 people with
commit privs (and I think most projects have that). As a mentor I
would be
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Ralph Goersralph.go...@dslextreme.com wrote:
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertrand
Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
listen to
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
OK we have a similar example here at the ASF - when Craig McC. left
Apache Shale it slowly died - and AFAIK become the first project to
join the Attic. So Ceki decides to become a Yak farmer in patagonia
and maybe the same thing happens to
On Aug 5, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Martijn
Dashorstmartijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
AFAIK Nowhere in the policy it is stated that committer activity ==
code commits.
True, but that's how I interpret it, for reasons stated earlier in
I will try to answer it;
1. I think it is an extreme question. If both disappeared tomorrow, I don't
think the will to continue exists. If it happens 12 months from now in the
Incubator, I think it could go either way. If happens 12 months after
graduation, I am pretty sure it sustains. Why do I
Jukka,
I don't like to force majority result if there is controversy.
Having a couple of -1, and other not voting but practically agreeing with
you and Ant, is not the way to go.
I think they are as ready as they can get, considering the starting point
and the general attitude towards incubated
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Niclas Hedhmannic...@hedhman.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
independent backgrounds until asking for graduation.
At the end of the day
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Bertrand
Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
Taking Sling as an example again, the commit logs certainly show an
overwhelming number of commits from Day employees, but if you look at
the big picture it's clear that those committers are taking the
community
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertrand
Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
listen to the community?
That's certainly good, but IMHO not really the key point as it doesn't
address the case when those people lose
2009/8/4 Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Niclas Hedhmannic...@hedhman.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
independent
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Greg Browngkbr...@mac.com wrote:
It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a VMware project.
Todd and I work on Pivot on our own time. We just happen to work for the
same company. :-)
That certainly helps with the diversity requirement. Even
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org wrote:
I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of a
podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up
with documented evidence that either a) the committers are not
listening to the
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:48 +0100, ant elder wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org
wrote:
I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of
a
podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up
with documented evidence
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
Scherlerthorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es wrote:
How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
coding committers but how many other committers?
5 committers and PPMC Members in total, not counting 2 mentors.
Cheers
--
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Thorsten
Scherlerthorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:48 +0100, ant elder wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org
wrote:
I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
Scherlerthorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es wrote:
How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
coding committers but how many other committers?
5
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 11:23 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote:
...
Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in
the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is even more
important then committing code, or do we not always saying community
over code?
I
2009/8/4 Thorsten Scherler thorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es:
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
Scherlerthorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es wrote:
How many committers are in the project? As understand from the
In most discussions I hear (I think it is Roy's quote): Not community
*over* code, but community *for* code
Martijn
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I'm +1 as well. I fully respect Jukka's opinion, I'm just placing my own
line on the other side of the gray area (if that makes sense).
Matthieu
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Martijn Dashorst martijn.dasho...@gmail.com
wrote:
+1
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Niclas
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
Scherlerthorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es wrote:
How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
coding committers but how many other
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
Scherlerthorsten.scherler@juntadeandalucia.es wrote:
How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
coding committers but how many other committers?
5 committers and PPMC Members in total, not
[I presume the three browns above are all one
in the same person.)
Yes - all me. :-) I believe they reflect my user name on the various
SVN repositories in which Pivot has resided (java.net, Google Code,
and now ASF).
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertrand
Delacretazbdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
listen to the community?
That's certainly good, but IMHO not really the key point as it
Yes,
And here is another angle; ALL projects will die, it is just a matter of
time.
Now, knowing that we need to deal with, and can't set out with the notion
that if we think it might whither it can't graduate, then I will need to
vote against all graduations.
So, IMHO, the might die criteria is
[X ] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
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+1
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Niclas Hedhmannic...@hedhman.org wrote:
Gang,
Apache Pivot is one of the fastest moving codebases at Apache, and the
Pivot team has done an excellent job, both technically as well as
community-wise. The initial team consisting of two Vmware employees
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Niclas Hedhmannic...@hedhman.org wrote:
[x] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
[ ] 0, I don't care
[ ] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
Cheers
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I live here;
Hi,
[x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not
too many people seem to be contributing patches [2]. My suggestion
would be for Pivot to spend some more time growing the community
before graduation.
[1]
2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com:
Hi,
[x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not
too many people seem to be contributing patches [2]. My suggestion
would be for Pivot to spend some more time
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org wrote:
2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com:
Hi,
[x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not
too many people seem to be contributing
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org wrote:
As I understand it there is sufficient diversity in the people with
binding votes to provide oversight for the project. That is what we
are trying to achieve here. I didn't hear this argument against Apache
Sling which
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Martijn
Dashorstmartijn.dasho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardlerrgard...@apache.org wrote:
2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com:
Hi,
[x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
I'm not seeing sufficient
Its still good to have some minimal diversity of the active committers
and right now it looks like Pivot only has two people actively
committing code and they're both from the same employer.
It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a VMware
project. Todd and I work on Pivot on
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
independent backgrounds until asking for graduation.
At the end of the day it's the people who write the code that decide
where a project goes,
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
independent backgrounds until asking for graduation.
At the end of the day it's the people who write the code that decide
Gang,
Apache Pivot is one of the fastest moving codebases at Apache, and the
Pivot team has done an excellent job, both technically as well as
community-wise. The initial team consisting of two Vmware employees
showed good community skills from the get-go, discussing all progress
on list and
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