Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 10/29/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 28 October 2007 23:15, Erik Abele wrote: As BenL always says: I don't give a shit about some random document, that could be faked anyway. All I care about is the email address connected to the key I intend to sign - is it really

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread Erik Abele
On 29.10.2007, at 03:13, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Sunday 28 October 2007 23:15, Erik Abele wrote: As BenL always says: I don't give a shit about some random document, that could be faked anyway. All I care about is the email address connected to the key I intend to sign - is it really the

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread Erik Abele
On 29.10.2007, at 13:49, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: ... IMO this needs to be done at the protocol level to gain the required security (rather than just the appearance of security). if there's anyone around who's active on HTTP standards then now would be a great time to jump in... And back

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread sebb
On 29/10/2007, Erik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29.10.2007, at 03:13, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Sunday 28 October 2007 23:15, Erik Abele wrote: As BenL always says: I don't give a shit about some random document, that could be faked anyway. All I care about is the email address

RE: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread Gilles Scokart
-Original Message- From: sebb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Even if you can't establish a trust path, the PGP signature gives a bit more assurance than a hash. The KEY file should be in SVN, so you can ensure that the person that added the key to the KEY file was at least a committer

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 29 October 2007 21:26, Erik Abele wrote: The process on the above page is beyond most users' imagination. As said, they probably don't even care otherwise they would know... I rest my case; If I don't care about routing tables in TCP/IP stacks, I don't need Internet, right?

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread Erik Abele
On 29.10.2007, at 16:02, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Monday 29 October 2007 21:26, Erik Abele wrote: The process on the above page is beyond most users' imagination. As said, they probably don't even care otherwise they would know... I rest my case; If I don't care about routing tables in

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread sebb
On 29/10/2007, Gilles Scokart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: sebb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Even if you can't establish a trust path, the PGP signature gives a bit more assurance than a hash. The KEY file should be in SVN, so you can ensure that the person

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-29 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 10/29/07, Erik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 29.10.2007, at 16:02, Niclas Hedhman wrote: snip Asking me to do something about it, is also asking at the wrong end, since I am a newbie at the topic and barely trust myself getting anything right. Well, that's the way we operate -

ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 28 October 2007 06:24, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Perhaps we should add some information on getting into the Web of Trust, although that is really a general committer item, not Incubator specific. I am not very security fluent, and perhaps someone could explain to me; What is the

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-28 Thread Erik Abele
On 28.10.2007, at 08:57, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Sunday 28 October 2007 06:24, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Perhaps we should add some information on getting into the Web of Trust, although that is really a general committer item, not Incubator specific. I am not very security fluent, and

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-28 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 10/28/07, Erik Abele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 28.10.2007, at 08:57, Niclas Hedhman wrote: snip as well as tooling support for verifications. http://httpd.apache.org/dev/verification.html IMHO verification is too important to be left to users. perhaps HTTP could be extended by a 3xx

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-28 Thread Craig L Russell
Hi, Some background on the web of trust (wot) that ASF uses for signers of code releases is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust You correctly point out that the icla is a binding document in which the party signing the document grants certain intellectual property rights to the

Re: ASF Web of Trust [was: Release Distribution Strategy]

2007-10-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 28 October 2007 23:15, Erik Abele wrote: As BenL always says: I don't give a shit about some random document,   that could be faked anyway. All I care about is the email address   connected to the key I intend to sign - is it really the address of   the person in question?. Ok, and