Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-25 Thread Ted Leung
On 9/24/2003 12:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are trying to get there you know. If at any point you want to help, just let me know. I wasn't trying to say that you weren't working on it, just trying to point out that some people consider Releases important. Ted

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-23 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Cliff Schmidt wrote: snipped-release-plan/ this sounds to me like a very good plan. thank you! +1 :-) -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Phil Steitz
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: I am not on the Incubator PMC, but I feel that a project still bearing incubator status should not be permitted to make a Release. I do not know what exactly you define as a release. Is that more than a distribution? An incubator project is

RE: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: I am not on the Incubator PMC, but I feel that a project still bearing incubator status should not be permitted to make a Release. I do not know what exactly you define as a release. Is that more than a distribution? Capital R. A Release

RE: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Capital R. A Release build is a specific notion within the ASF. Not all builds are created equal, and no one was talking about distribution from CVS only. Would you mind to explain me what the specific notion means? See http://httpd.apache.org/dev/release.html for the httpd project's

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Noel J. Bergman wrote: See http://httpd.apache.org/dev/release.html for the httpd project's guidelines. They use the term release the way that Jakarta projects will use the term build, but the overall effect is the same. See http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi for a description of the

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: Thanks, understood. In that case, I'd hold my argument, that the incubated project requires the ability for Releases in order to attract external users and build a community. i disagree. the lack of a release snapshot doesn't seem to interfere with sourceforge

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: i disagree. the lack of a release snapshot doesn't seem to interfere with sourceforge projects attracting people, and i don't see that it would be any different here. The lack of release snapshots on sf.net is (IMO) the best indicator, that the project isn't

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: i think the point is that a podling is *not* part of the asf, and is therefore not entitled to distribute something with the asf's name on it. if the podling graduates, i don't see any bar to whatever packages were built during incubation being retitled as asf ones.

RE: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jochen, A project is accepted into the Incubator on the hopes that it WILL become an ASF project. However, it still needs to meet certain critera (the exit criteria). Those criteria should include having a healthy Community, which helps to ensure its long term survival; and having all legal

RE: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Cliff Schmidt
OK, based on everything I've read from this and a few of the other threads on this list, which I've just caught up to (I picked a bad weekend to attend a wedding that took me off email ;-), I am going to propose to the other XMLBeans folks that we do the following: 1. Create a build of a cvs

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-22 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Cliff Schmidt wrote: OK, based on everything I've read from this and a few of the other threads on this list, which I've just caught up to (I picked a bad weekend to attend a wedding that took me off email ;-), I am going to propose to the other XMLBeans folks that we do the following:

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-21 Thread Ted Leung
Copying to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for policy check. On 9/20/2003 1:54 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: IIRC incubating projects should not create full releases (the reason being that the ASF makes a long term commitment to maintain all full releases) until the incubation process is finished (but

RE: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Ted, if there is a version that has been finished / super tested, etc, it seems a little sily not to make it stable. Stable, yes. Labeled as an ASF Release, no. In my view. I am not on the Incubator PMC, but I feel that a project still bearing incubator status should not be permitted to

Re: Getting the distribution onto a download site somewhere ...

2003-09-21 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I am not on the Incubator PMC, but I feel that a project still bearing incubator status should not be permitted to make a Release. I do not know what exactly you define as a release. Is that more than a distribution? An incubator project is expected to build a community.