We're doing some redesign and need to get some more progress on that before
putting the proposal out -otherwise people wouldn't get a current view of
what's being built.
-steve
On 5 March 2014 01:07, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote:
Steve,
I am just wondering: are you in a position
Steve,
I am just wondering: are you in a position to move forward with the
proposal at this point or are you still mulling over the feedback?
Thanks,
Roman.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:08 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com wrote:
I'm starting to put together the incubation proposal for
not yet, but that should be the goal. It's already a hadoop-cliuster-ready
app, so all that is needed is patching the configs for the target cluster
(filesystem, ZK, security) and building up the commands to exec
On 2 February 2014 17:55, Edward J. Yoon edwardy...@apache.org wrote:
Hi, Hoya
Hi, Hoya looks nice.
5. Help migrate more distributed applications into YARN clusters - such as
Apache HAMA.
BTW, this means that HAMA can be deployed on YARN cluster using HOYA
without implement separate YARN application?
On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Steve Loughran
thanks Jakob - we haven't had a vote yet though, still discussing the
proposal
On 22 January 2014 06:57, Jakob Homan jgho...@gmail.com wrote:
HOYA looks like a useful bit of code,which if squinted at appropriately,
might, sorta be able to be implemented with another useful bit of code
Hey Guys,
I'd like to +1 non-binding Hoya (or whatever you want to call it). It's
going to be really useful for the YARN ecosystem to have a project like
this out there, and it makes a lot of sense to put it in Apache.
Hopefully we can move past the naming stuff, and get the project in.
Cheers,
HOYA looks like a useful bit of code,which if squinted at appropriately,
might, sorta be able to be implemented with another useful bit of code
already in the incubator. But could just as well be independent. Let's let
HOYA in and see where the communities that develop around it and Twill want
to
I just can speak for the Hama-to-Yarn use case (with my newbie hat on) and
it seems Hoya may be really helpful as the entry point to address it as it
provides a set of simple and useful tools.
For the sake of the names I think Hoya would be good (while Hyena would
not).
Just my 0.02 cents,
On 16 January 2014 12:41, Tommaso Teofili tommaso.teof...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all,
@Steve I'm curious to know if also Apache Hama may leverage Hoya to be
deployed on YARN.
If you are going to make a 100% commit to running in YARN -which, if you
aren't ready yet, Hama should be able to do in
Andreas, to me, Twill is a library, a convenience library, that one
can use to write Yarn apps. Hoya aims to provide a general framework
using which one can take existing apps (HBase/Accumulo to start with),
and make them run well in a Yarn cluster, without intruding at all
into the App
Very informative explanation. I've got a better understanding of the
proposal now.
I suggest that a remark like this is added to the Hoya proposal, so this
part of the discussion becomes part of the vote on the proposal.The
proposal's Known Risk section lacks a Relationships with Other Apache
On 17 January 2014 10:10, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@gmail.comwrote:
Very informative explanation. I've got a better understanding of the
proposal now.
I suggest that a remark like this is added to the Hoya proposal, so this
part of the discussion becomes part of the vote
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com wrote:
On 17 January 2014 10:10, Bernd Fondermann bernd.fonderm...@gmail.comwrote:
(side note: When a project graduates, a PMC is established and tasked with
a specific task. Two PMCs cannot have the same task. Therefore,
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:57 AM, lars hofhansl la...@apache.org wrote:
...I should we shouldn't rule out a name just because the English
pronunciation is similar to another project.
Will people really confuse Apache Hyena and Apache Jena?...
At this early stage it's very easy to switch names,
Deveraj,
all these features that you list are not only useful for existing
applications but also for applications developed with Twill.
But I agree that the initial focus of the projects is different, and we
should keep talking in the future abut possible convergence.
-Andreas.
On Fri, Jan 17,
+1 -I'd really like input from the HBase and Accumulo teams as they are
the
first apps we're trying to work with.
Great, please add me as a mentor than.
There is another animal named Nyala (
Hi all,
@Steve I'm curious to know if also Apache Hama may leverage Hoya to be
deployed on YARN.
If yes, that'd hopefully bring some more people involved from Hama as well.
My 0.02 cents,
Tommaso
2014/1/14 Enis Söztutar enis@gmail.com
+1 -I'd really like input from the HBase and
I do see a lot of value in all the features of Hoya, and I am not trying to
discredit it. Yet I do think that most of these features are actually
already in Twill or would be great additions to Twill, and sooner or later
will be implemented in Twill, implying even greater overlap.
I am not sure
Andreas, to me, Twill is a library, a convenience library, that one
can use to write Yarn apps. Hoya aims to provide a general framework
using which one can take existing apps (HBase/Accumulo to start with),
and make them run well in a Yarn cluster, without intruding at all
into the App internals.
On 15 January 2014 02:13, Andreas Neumann a...@apache.org wrote:
I see. So is Hoya limited to HBase and Accumulo? Or is it open for any
other type of existing application? If so, won't it have some common
abstraction that is shared by all of them? That is where I see the
similarity with
I think that Andreas has a valid point.
With the description you are giving here, there seems to be much more
overlap with the Twill podling than I initially anticipated.
In the Hoya proposal, I'd like to learn about how it compares to Twill and
why it makes sense to start another such podling
I wanted to weigh in on some of Steve's thoughts, I'm actually really
excited about being able to leverage Hoya inside of Accumulo itself.
We presently have a few system tests that rely on manual set up, which can
be frustrating to deal with on a beefy boxes (running multiple Accumulo
procs on a
I'd put more in common with Helix than twill -twill is for building YARN
apps, Hoya focused on deploying existing apps into YARN containers. It's a
lot more minimal than Helix -it doesn't run its own code in any of the
containers other than the AM
On 14 January 2014 03:33, Andreas Neumann
Which languages are they? I would expect the english pronounciation would
be relevant, where Hyena (see http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hyena) is quite
different from Jena.
Bernd
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:36
As a project name Jena has been in use for the project for about 13
years now. 1.0 was 9 Jan 2001. A mere 983K (zipped).
The discussion is about Hyena for Hoya.
Andy
On 13/01/14 23:38, sebb wrote:
Jenny ?
On 13 January 2014 22:21, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
Too
I don't this is something to worry about much -Hoya is good too, lots of
things outlive their acroynms. SOAP, for example
On 14 January 2014 12:03, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote:
As a project name Jena has been in use for the project for about 13
years now. 1.0 was 9 Jan 2001. A mere
@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: Hoya Proposal
As a project name Jena has been in use for the project for about 13
years now. 1.0 was 9 Jan 2001. A mere 983K (zipped).
The discussion is about Hyena for Hoya.
Andy
On 13/01/14 23:38, sebb wrote:
Jenny
I see. So is Hoya limited to HBase and Accumulo? Or is it open for any
other type of existing application? If so, won't it have some common
abstraction that is shared by all of them? That is where I see the
similarity with Twill.
Whereas, if it is a separate effort for each existing application,
On 9 January 2014 21:55, Enis Söztutar enis@gmail.com wrote:
Proposal looks good. Let me know if you need any additional help in
mentors.
Enis
+1 -I'd really like input from the HBase and Accumulo teams as they are the
first apps we're trying to work with.
On that note, I know we've
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com wrote:
...What do people think about a project name Hyena? It's close enough, lives
in the savannah...
I think it's too close to http://jena.apache.org/
-Bertrand
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com wrote:
On that note, I know we've used the acronym hoya, HBase on YARN, but it is
already a bit out of date.
What do people think about a project name Hyena? It's close enough, lives
in the savannah...
Based on Google
+1
Bernd
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.netwrote:
+1 for Hyena.
Regards
JB
On 01/13/2014 03:33 PM, Steve Loughran wrote:
On 9 January 2014 21:55, Enis Söztutar enis@gmail.com wrote:
Proposal looks good. Let me know if you need any
On 10 January 2014 09:54, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote:
Hi Steve,
can I help during the week end ?
Regards
JB
I'm just running the post-rename tests now; functional test runner came
first...
-steve
On 01/10/2014 10:31 AM, Steve Loughran wrote:
I'm going to do the
On Jan 13, 2014, at 6:33 AM, Steve Loughran wrote:
On 9 January 2014 21:55, Enis Söztutar enis@gmail.com wrote:
Proposal looks good. Let me know if you need any additional help in
mentors.
Enis
+1 -I'd really like input from the HBase and Accumulo teams as they are the
first
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com
wrote:
...What do people think about a project name Hyena? It's close enough,
lives
in the savannah...
I think it's too close to
I agree with Marvin. Either works fine.
The original meaning of Hoya doesn't have to continue to be acknowledged.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.comwrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com
wrote:
On that note, I
On 13/01/14 20:25, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com wrote:
...What do people think about a project name Hyena? It's close enough, lives
in the
Jenny ?
On 13 January 2014 22:21, Ted Dunning ted.dunn...@gmail.com wrote:
Too many people will read that as Jena, the city in Thuringia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena
-1
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Andy Seaborne a...@apache.org wrote:
On 13/01/14 20:25, Bertrand Delacretaz
There isn't anything in the same domain named Hoya that I am aware of. One
can get to Hoya from other avenues - it is a county and city in Germany; or
it is the genus for several hundred tropical plants. According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoya, hoya flowers grow in a configuration
referred
Hoya - Hadoop Oriented Yarn Applications.
:)
As Andrew indicates - stick with Hoya.
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 7:18 PM, Andrew Purtell apurt...@apache.org wrote:
There isn't anything in the same domain named Hoya that I am aware of. One
can get to Hoya from other avenues - it is a county and
Hi Steve,
Hoya has a lot of good ideas. How do think it relates to Twill (recently
incubated at http://twill.incubator.apache.org/)? I feel that there is a
lot of overlap in what both projects are trying to achieve. Do you think
they complement each other? Is there opportunity for collaboration,
I'm going to do the rename over the w/end, I just need to get a functional
tests branch in, because merge-over-renames is one of those things you
don't want to have to do.
On 9 January 2014 17:29, Alejandro Abdelnur t...@cloudera.com wrote:
argh, gmail trying to be extra smart collapsed his
Proposal looks good. Let me know if you need any additional help in mentors.
Enis
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Alejandro Abdelnur t...@cloudera.comwrote:
argh, gmail trying to be extra smart collapsed his comment on that and i
missed. sorry
thx
Alejandro
(phone typing)
On Jan 9,
Hi Steve,
can I help during the week end ?
Regards
JB
On 01/10/2014 10:31 AM, Steve Loughran wrote:
I'm going to do the rename over the w/end, I just need to get a functional
tests branch in, because merge-over-renames is one of those things you
don't want to have to do.
On 9 January 2014
no its wrong, it should all be under org.apache.hoya.
I had the hadoop prefix so that I could perhaps put it straight into the
hadoop code as another tools module -no need for incubation. But as the
actual providers and all tests are related to the deployment of hbase and
accumulo, it really
thanks, that's a great offer -lovely to have some management oversight from
others.
I've put your name down
On 8 January 2014 15:18, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote:
Hi Steve,
it looks interesting. It's a kind of advanced provisioning for Hadoop
cluster. I see some potential
Hi Steve,
Awesome, thanks.
Regards
JB
On 01/09/2014 10:20 AM, Steve Loughran wrote:
thanks, that's a great offer -lovely to have some management oversight from
others.
I've put your name down
On 8 January 2014 15:18, Jean-Baptiste Onofré j...@nanthrax.net wrote:
Hi Steve,
it looks
Ah yes, I missed the additional hadoop in the path.
Close enough :)
On Thursday, January 9, 2014, Steve Loughran wrote:
no its wrong, it should all be under org.apache.hoya.
I had the hadoop prefix so that I could perhaps put it straight into the
hadoop code as another tools module -no need
Mmmh, if i recall correctly this has come up in the past with other projects
and it was decided against it. Could you please check with the hadoop folks
about it?
Thx
On Jan 9, 2014, at 1:19 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com wrote:
no its wrong, it should all be under
If you can work out a plan to do this directly in Hadoop, there's no
need for the incubator. You just build and and contribute it in
cahoots with them, and earn commit over there as you go.
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Alejandro Abdelnur t...@cloudera.com wrote:
Mmmh, if i recall correctly
I may have not been clear enough, I was referring to using
'org.apache.hadoop' as package prefix for a project other than hadoop.
Thanks
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.comwrote:
If you can work out a plan to do this directly in Hadoop, there's no
need for
Hi Alejandro -
I believe that Steve has already acknowledged that a package rename is
required and that the project is likely not appropriate for Hadoop proper.
thanks,
--larry
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Alejandro Abdelnur t...@cloudera.comwrote:
I may have not been clear enough, I
Steve did already indeed.
Regards
JB
On 01/09/2014 06:23 PM, larry mccay wrote:
Hi Alejandro -
I believe that Steve has already acknowledged that a package rename is
required and that the project is likely not appropriate for Hadoop proper.
thanks,
--larry
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:46 AM,
argh, gmail trying to be extra smart collapsed his comment on that and i
missed. sorry
thx
Alejandro
(phone typing)
On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:23, larry mccay lmc...@apache.org wrote:
Hi Alejandro -
I believe that Steve has already acknowledged that a package rename is
required and that the
I'm starting to put together the incubation proposal for Hoya: a tool to
dynamically deploy applications such as HBase or Accumulo on YARN
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/HoyaProposal
It does already work to the extent that it can bring up either application,
run different clusters of
Hi Steve,
it looks interesting. It's a kind of advanced provisioning for Hadoop
cluster. I see some potential interesting work together with other
projects.
I would be please to be mentor on Hoya.
Regards
JB
On 01/08/2014 04:08 PM, Steve Loughran wrote:
I'm starting to put together the
I like how the initial code already put under
org.apache.hadoop.hoya with correct ASF header =)
- Henry
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:08 AM, Steve Loughran ste...@hortonworks.com wrote:
I'm starting to put together the incubation proposal for Hoya: a tool to
dynamically deploy applications such
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