RE: JIRA and communities

2012-05-28 Thread Franklin, Matthew B.
-Original Message- From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:51 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: JIRA and communities So, what message here should the incubator send a podling, or the foundation send a TLP? I really don't mean

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-28 Thread Ralph Goers
On May 28, 2012, at 6:57 AM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: -Original Message- From: Benson Margulies [mailto:bimargul...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2012 10:51 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: JIRA and communities So, what message here should the incubator

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-26 Thread Benson Margulies
So, what message here should the incubator send a podling, or the foundation send a TLP? I really don't mean this as a rhetorical question at all, I'm honestly puzzled. In the case of Lucene, I've been hanging out for months, and I feel perfectly confident that it's a healthy community by any

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-26 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: So, what message here should the incubator send a podling, or the foundation send a TLP? I really don't mean this as a rhetorical question at all, I'm honestly puzzled. There are a couple of technical mitigations

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-26 Thread Benson Margulies
Marvin, I am at your disposal to collaborate on something here; note my reply at infrastructure@. It seems to me that this thread would largely go better over there, now that the caveat that 'a podling run entirely on JIRA may have community problems' has been delivered. --benson

JIRA and communities

2012-05-25 Thread Benson Margulies
below, you or others would find the JIRA business digestible. Also, on the other hand, I fear that the co-employed contributors are collaborating in the hallway, and the lack of the context in JIRA or on the list is contributing to the problem. I'm not convinced that JIRA helps communities. It's

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-25 Thread Ralph Goers
to the problem. I'm not convinced that JIRA helps communities. It's great in companies -IDE integration, you can bounce issues to others, it pings your phone so often you can use it as a network liveness test. It also lets you persist discussions in a way that can be searched. In a busy project

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-25 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 8:37 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: I don't claim that JIRA helps, but I also don't accept the proposition that JIRA hurts. I claim it does both. I think that we should focus on the community, not the tools. The JIRA-oriented projects I follow have

Re: JIRA and communities

2012-05-25 Thread Dave Fisher
of the context in JIRA or on the list is contributing to the problem. I'm not convinced that JIRA helps communities. It's great in companies -IDE integration, you can bounce issues to others, it pings your phone so often you can use it as a network liveness test. It also lets you persist discussions