Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Is this about competing podlings? or existing projects/new podlings?
The Competing Projects thread is a general umbrella of how the incubator
should approach any two proposed podlings that overlap in scope, or a
proposed podling that overlaps in scope with an existing
Is this about competing podlings? or existing projects/new podlings?
-- dims
On 12/26/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Dec 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
I think it's a concern because the precedent puts the podling on the
I gave it a few more days because of the Christmas holiday and
preparations. The results :
+1 from Geir, Niclas, Phil, Henri, Bertrand, Jukka, Craig, David W,
Richard, Craig, Gianugo, Mark, Robert, Brian, Nigel, Dan C, Bob,
Noel, Juan, Justin, Jim H, Bill, Dan R, Jim Jagielski
+0 from
On Tuesday 26 December 2006 14:24, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
People can truly dislike others in the same
project, and yet collaborate towards a common goal.
If we take another heated example, Avalon, which was heavily criticized for
its unhealthy community; IMHO, it was the different
Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Dec 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
I think it's a concern because the precedent puts the podling on the
defensive and in the mind set of oh, if there's a competing project,
we won't accept you. The fact that there's a project already here
that
Jim,
I've updated the proposal in the wiki, hopefully addressing your two
concerns - noting that there are no other implementations of Jini
technology at the ASF, and noting that committership for the initial
committers will be granted upon engagement with the project, as
determined by
On Dec 24, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Jim,
I've updated the proposal in the wiki, hopefully addressing your
two concerns - noting that there are no other implementations of
Jini technology at the ASF, and noting that committership for the
initial committers will be
On Dec 22, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 12/22/06, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A simple one-liner similar to Geir's No other ASF project
or podling in the architecture space is based on Jini
is enough I think...
This is getting off-topic, but really why do we
On Dec 22, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
We have lots of competing proposals and projects all across the ASF.
And, many of them don't communicate for extremely petty and personal
reasons;
IMO, that is a shame... competition is good. Territorialism
(if that's even a word :) )
On Dec 23, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Dec 22, 2006, at 11:18 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 12/22/06, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A simple one-liner similar to Geir's No other ASF project
or podling in the architecture space is based on Jini
is enough I think...
On 12/23/06, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really fail to see how all that is such a big deal.
We're talking an additional 2 sentences
I think it's a concern because the precedent puts the podling on the
defensive and in the mind set of oh, if there's a competing project,
we
On Dec 23, 2006, at 11:16 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 12/23/06, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I really fail to see how all that is such a big deal.
We're talking an additional 2 sentences
I think it's a concern because the precedent puts the podling on the
defensive and in
Jim,
Keep in mind that JINI significantly predates all of the current Web
Services efforts, not just here but anywhere. Technically, SOAP at
Microsoft *might* predate JINI, but JINI was out and about (in so far as it
has ever gained much marketshare) before Web Services as we know them.
In any
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
We have lots of competing proposals and projects all across the ASF.
And, many of them don't communicate for extremely petty and personal
reasons; some don't communicate because they disagree on the technical
direction.
While they are within the Incubator, I'd prefer
On 12/23/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While they are within the Incubator, I'd prefer to see the extremely petty
reasons reduced.
And, I'd like a pony, too. =P -- justin
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Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
On 12/23/06, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
While they are within the Incubator, I'd prefer to see the extremely petty
reasons reduced.
And, I'd like a pony, too. =P -- justin
Did you ask Santa? :)
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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Jim,
Keep in mind that JINI significantly predates all of the current Web
Services efforts, not just here but anywhere. Technically, SOAP at
Microsoft *might* predate JINI, but JINI was out and about (in so far as it
has ever gained much marketshare) before Web
Therefore, please vote on the proposal that follows :
[ X] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
+1
:-)
-Jim
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On Dec 21, 2006, at 5:37 PM, Dan Creswell wrote:
From experience of evangelizing Jini I find each person's SOA
definition
to be different from another's and I have to argue/discuss on a
case by
case basis.
So I kind of agree it's a valid item for discussion but given the
above
On 12/22/06, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A simple one-liner similar to Geir's No other ASF project
or podling in the architecture space is based on Jini
is enough I think...
This is getting off-topic, but really why do we care?
We have lots of competing proposals and projects all
+1 from me too
Bill
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as River.
You may be familiar with this project as it has
[ ] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
+1
Dan Rollo (cloutless vote)
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+1
BR,
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On 12/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ ] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
+1
Craig
[ ] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
+1
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On Dec 21, 2006, at 1:47 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Thursday 21 December 2006 11:46, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
[x] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
Good name too.
I've always hoped that someone would wish
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as
River. You may be familiar with this project as it has been
discussed under other names, including Braintree
On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as
River. You may be familiar with this project as it has
Good name too.
'Apache River' is very close to 'Apache Rivet', but they are in
different areas, so hopefully won't get mixed up much.
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Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as River.
You may be familiar with this project as it has been discussed under
other
+1
- richard
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as River.
You may be familiar with this project as it has been discussed under
other names, including Braintree and Jini. I've
Hi,
On Thursday 21 December 2006 11:46, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
[x] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
+0 on the River proposal.
On 12/21/06, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've always hoped that
On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as
On Dec 21, 2006, at 11:09 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 21, 2006, at 9:01 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
+1 (non-binding)
I think it's great that Apache will adopt this great technology...
Craig
On Dec 20, 2006, at 7:46 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as
River. You may be
On Dec 21, 2006, at 1:19 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
it's a little different. Jini is an old and I would say
fundamental technology for service infrastructure in the java
platform, very different from today's SOA.
I'll let someone else argue my point, as I have to go christmas
+1 , glad we have come to this point.
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On 12/21/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as River.
You may be familiar with this project as it has been discussed under
other names, including Braintree and
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Therefore, please vote on the proposal that follows :
+1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
Brian
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+1 Accept River as a new podling
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On 12/21/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ ] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
+1
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as River.
You may be familiar with this project as it has been discussed under
other names, including Braintree and Jini. I've actually lost
Therefore, please vote on the proposal that follows :
[X] +1 Accept River as a new podling
- Bob
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate [the project formerly known as Jini]
No kidding! And it's about time! :-)
You may be familiar with this project as it has been discussed under
other names, including
[X] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
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On 12/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as River.
You may be familiar with this project as it has been discussed under
other names, including Braintree and
+1 from me
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as River.
You may be familiar with this project as it has been discussed under
other names, including Braintree and Jini. I've
Note - this vote will be for 3 days, ending midnight, saturday december
23rd, 2006.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
It is with great relief and hope that I propose that the Apache
Incubator PMC vote to incubate a new podling, to be known as River.
You may be familiar with this project as it has
On Thursday 21 December 2006 11:46, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
[x] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
non-binding.
Cheers
Niclas
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Phil
On 12/20/06, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 21 December 2006 11:46, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
[x] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
non-binding.
Cheers
Niclas
On Thursday 21 December 2006 11:46, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
[x] +1 Accept River as a new podling as described below
[ ] -1 Do not accept the new podling (provide reason, please)
Good name too.
Hen
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