Re: Revising the IP Clearance Form (was: cut the crap)

2008-06-02 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: i've committed a stripped down template and moved the prose into a guide. this guide is just copy ATM With all due and sincere respect to Roy, the current IP Clearance form was done in

RE: Revising the IP Clearance Form (was: cut the crap)

2008-05-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: The Legal Committee does not appear to have any concerns over Roy's proposed changes. legal-hat i don't recall being officially asked /legal-hat I was referring to Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in [EMAIL PROTECTED] In any event,

RE: Revising the IP Clearance Form (was: cut the crap)

2008-05-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: If the IP template should be RTC then it should be moved into the policy area. But IMO the incubator is not the right place for normative legal policy: the legal committee should maintain policy. It probably embodies both procedure and policy. And I agree with

Re: Revising the IP Clearance Form (was: cut the crap)

2008-05-19 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: If the IP template should be RTC then it should be moved into the policy area. But IMO the incubator is not the right place for normative legal policy: the legal committee should maintain

Re: Revising the IP Clearance Form (was: cut the crap)

2008-05-19 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: snip Given that we now have a Legal Committee, any substantive revision of that form should be run through

Re: cut the crap

2008-05-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 10:31 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I still think JIRA'izing this is overkill :) it's just a way of parking the issue for now - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

[docs] Export Documentation [WAS Re: cut the crap]

2008-05-03 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:14 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: One more; Determine www.a.o/licenses/exports implications for notifications. No. That is not part of IP clearance, sorry, and I will not repeat all of the

RE: cut the crap

2008-04-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I had a catastrophic failure of my mail server yesterday (the / partition failed to the point where fsck could not recover). Just catching up, using a backup server, and had to go to the archives to find the traffic: Robert wrote: If the IP template should be RTC then it should be moved into

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-24 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
I'm sorry - I had mixed up Noel's comments with Sam (which is not an easy thing to do once you know them both ;-) Please don't worry about plugging legal into the loop until you are done. Then just send a notice to legal-discuss@ with a link to the page. It's really that simple, they trust us

Re: Revising the IP Clearance Form (was: cut the crap)

2008-04-23 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On 4/23/08, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: i've committed a stripped down template and moved the prose into a guide. this guide is just copy ATM With all due and sincere respect to Roy, the current IP Clearance form was done in conjunction with the

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-23 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:55 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I've wasted too much time today on the stupid IP Clearance template that insists on asking a bunch

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:55 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I've wasted too much time today on the stupid IP Clearance template that

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-23 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Robert's separation of guide and template was a good start, though my version of the template is much smaller. IMHO the only way that documentation gets written here is by first draft then collective improvement

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-23 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 8:04 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 11:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:55 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy T.

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: One more; Determine www.a.o/licenses/exports implications for notifications. No. That is not part of IP clearance, sorry, and I will not repeat all of the process associated with being a chair within something as trivial as a secretarial function (connecting

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-23 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:14 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: One more; Determine www.a.o/licenses/exports implications for notifications. No. That is not part of IP clearance, sorry, and I will not repeat all of the

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-22 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 7:55 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: I've wasted too much time today on the stupid IP Clearance template that insists on asking a bunch of irrelevant questions about decisions that the Incubator is not responsible for making.

Revising the IP Clearance Form (was: cut the crap)

2008-04-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: i've committed a stripped down template and moved the prose into a guide. this guide is just copy ATM With all due and sincere respect to Roy, the current IP Clearance form was done in conjunction with the Board. Over the past several years it has been modified

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-21 Thread Scott O'Bryan
Right, for those it makes sense to me... Noel J. Bergman wrote: For what it's worth, I agree with you, especially for projects entering incubator. The IP clearance template isn't generally applicable to projects entering the Incubator. It is for processing code grants to existing

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-21 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Roy T. Fielding wrote: I've wasted too much time today on the stupid IP Clearance template that insists on asking a bunch of irrelevant questions about decisions that the Incubator is not responsible for making. The required IP clearance questions should be: Date: Identify the

RE: cut the crap

2008-04-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Roy T. Fielding wrote: that insists on asking a bunch of irrelevant questions about decisions that the Incubator is not responsible for making. Where on earth did this crap come from? According to SVN http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/public/trunk/site-author/ip-clearanc

RE: cut the crap

2008-04-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
For what it's worth, I agree with you, especially for projects entering incubator. The IP clearance template isn't generally applicable to projects entering the Incubator. It is for processing code grants to existing projects. --- Noel

RE: cut the crap

2008-04-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: maybe the incubator doesn't need to check that a PMC is conducting it's affairs correctly. not clear how much oversight the board expects the incubator to perform for IP clearances. IIRC, some but not extensive. Just check to make sure that the IP clearance is

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-18 Thread Scott O'Bryan
ROTFLMHO.. So tell us how you really feel Roy. :) For what it's worth, I agree with you, especially for projects entering incubator. Scott Roy T. Fielding wrote: I've wasted too much time today on the stupid IP Clearance template that insists on asking a bunch of irrelevant questions about

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Roy T. Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've wasted too much time today on the stupid IP Clearance template that insists on asking a bunch of irrelevant questions about decisions that the Incubator is not responsible for making. The required IP clearance

Re: cut the crap

2008-04-18 Thread Robert Burrell Donkin
On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Scott O'Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROTFLMHO.. So tell us how you really feel Roy. :) For what it's worth, I agree with you, especially for projects entering incubator. submit a patch ;-) - robert