On 2 February 2012 06:08, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote:
Joe Schaefer wrote:
For ages i have wanted to add a page somewhere that explains
very clearly principles and constraints for the ASF.
Alas little time and none now.
+1000
If anyone does have time please note that there
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:08 AM, David Crossley cross...@apache.org wrote:
Joe Schaefer wrote:
Here are some of the things that guide me in my decision-
making about governance and Apache communities. Please
feel to add you own thoughts on the subject!
1) Fairness and Equitable Treatment-
We have discussed many things the past days, I think we need to get
towards some results. Imho it was enough time to propose new incubator
chair candidates. So far we have nominations for Noel, Benson and
Chris M.
Should we do the vote now? How is the process for voting a chair when
having
Can we have clear and concise statements from each of the candidates
about their vision for the future of the Incubator.
I am particularly interested to hear the candidates opinions on the
various suggestions to work more closely with ComDev (in particular
the focused recommendations of Roy and
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote:
We have discussed many things the past days, I think we need to get
towards some results. Imho it was enough time to propose new incubator
chair candidates. So far we have nominations for Noel, Benson and
Chris
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
OK. With this and the script, I guess you would say that patches are
welcome ;-)
If someone would point me to the script I'd like to see if I can make an
improvement trying on my new IPMC hat in a non-mentor role.
The issue is that
On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
OK. With this and the script, I guess you would say that patches are
welcome ;-)
If someone would point me to the script I'd like to see if I can make an
improvement trying on my new IPMC
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
OK. With this and the script, I guess you would say that patches are
welcome ;-)
If someone would point me to the
On Feb 2, 2012, at 6:16 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
The thing I've been trying to tell you Dave is that it can't
be sent before the first of the month. That's just the way
the script is coded.
Understood. Dates are tricky spanning months (and years.)
If you consider this a bug we can
Isn't there also something along the lines of what's called culpable
deniability? Since podlings may be in states where their offerings
might not be as legal as TLPs (licensing issues, trademark/branding
issues, etc.), is it not more convenient for them to be relegated to
an area specifically
I'll look into it... iirc, the code knows if it's run after
that month's board date, so we could handle it there.
I used the Date::Manip package to make it easier to do
these sorts of date adjustments...
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
The thing I've been trying to tell you
Thanks Jim!
From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: Giving podlings enough time to report [Fwd: Incubator PMC/Board
report for Feb 2012
No prob! Will do so over the weekend...
A prelim look suggests it's not that much.
On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Thanks Jim!
From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012
I've looked over the reports so far for February
and am fairly impressed at the quality of them
compared to January's bunch. OTOH one bit of information
I'd like to see given more attention is a podling's
last release date, to see how they are progressing
technically as a community which focuses
Thanks!
On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
No prob! Will do so over the weekend...
A prelim look suggests it's not that much.
On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:13 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Thanks Jim!
From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe
Hi Joe,
I don't know if this is as fundamental as the 'last release date' issue you
raise, but it might be also advantageous to the board for (especially)
podlings to mention whether trunk is broken or not. In the past I've seen
some podlings with trunk broken for some time and although in some
Personally that's probably a wee bit too much
detail other than to mention anecdotally. If
the person who is writing the report perceives
problems with the technical aspects of the project,
we certainly encourage them to write about it.
From: Lewis John
Hey Greg,
First off, thanks for commenting on this. My
replies below:
On Feb 1, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 21:22, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote:
Hi Bill,
On Feb 1, 2012, at 3:26 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
...
VP
Wow... a post that was too long even for me :) We might want to break
this down into a couple of distinct topic threads for simplicities sake.
Anyways, just one commment;
On 2/2/2012 10:56 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
On Feb 1, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
I can easily see a
Hi,
I'm an Apache member and committers of a few Apache projects. As one of the
mentors from the Amber (incubation) project retired, I expressed my interest to
mentor the project and the responses from the community seem to be positive. My
understanding is that I need to join IPMC so that I
Hey Bill,
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:25 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
Wow... a post that was too long even for me :) We might want to break
this down into a couple of distinct topic threads for simplicities sake.
Sorry I have a big mouth :) Thanks for breaking it down.
Comments below.
On 2/2/2012 12:27 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
I guess the key difference between this small (but important) part of
our interpretation of this Incubator fix resolution that we're discussing
is the following:
You (and maybe Greg?) feel that you need 1 VP guy (and perhaps
a
Hey Bill,
On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:33 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 2/2/2012 12:27 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
I guess the key difference between this small (but important) part of
our interpretation of this Incubator fix resolution that we're discussing
is the following:
You
On Feb 2, 2012, at 4:52 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
We have discussed many things the past days, I think we need to get
towards some results. Imho it was enough time to propose new incubator
chair candidates. So far we have nominations for Noel, Benson and
Chris M.
Should we do the
The way to get from here to there is with a
concrete proposal followed by a vote. I don't
see why this should gate the vote on a new
chair- it's clear at this point that the overwhelming
consensus is that we should have one.
From: Alan D. Cabrera
On 2/2/2012 12:49 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
OK. If that VP isn't a flow-through and isn't visible when things are working
optimally, then why have him/her?
Because when the process needs revision, and it will, the board doesn't want to
revise it. ComDev shouldn't have to revise it.
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:55 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
The way to get from here to there is with a
concrete proposal followed by a vote. I don't
see why this should gate the vote on a new
chair- it's clear at this point that the overwhelming
consensus is that we should
Hey Bill,
On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 2/2/2012 12:49 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
OK. If that VP isn't a flow-through and isn't visible when things are working
optimally, then why have him/her?
Because when the process needs revision, and it will,
I'm going to treat this like any other nomination process and provide
a brief statement.
Volunteeritis: I'm active on the CXF and Maven PMCs, and I am a bit of
an uncle at Mahout and WS, and I've agreed to stick around as a PMC
member on EmpireDB in transition from podling to TLP. My mentor
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
bdelacre...@apache.org wrote:
Should we do the vote now? How is the process for voting a chair when
having multiple candidates? Via the votetool like the board votes?..
Using the http://wiki.apache.org/general/BoardVoting tool makes sense
Well so far the only person who seems to
have actually ACCEPTED a nomination was
Benson.
From: Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Time to vote the chair?
On Thu, Feb 2,
My overall thoughts on this subject is that it is
interesting to see Bill participating in a discussion
that more or less amounts to knocking down the cathedral
we've erected here and replacing it with a bazaar.
Personally I'm not willing to walk with you guys
down that route just yet, but the
Apparently, I'm now a member of the IPMC.
+1 from me. ;-)
Karl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
One more binding vote needed for this subpackage. Please somebody vote!
Karl
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Tommaso Teofili
tommaso.teof...@gmail.com
+1 from me (binding).
Karl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
We need one more binding IPMC vote for this sub-package. Any takers?
Karl
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Tommaso Teofili
tommaso.teof...@gmail.com wrote:
+1
Tommaso
2011/12/29 Karl
+1 from me (binding).
Karl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
With Tommaso's and Jukka's vote, that's 2 down. We still need one
more binding IPMC vote for this subpackage.
Karl
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:53 PM, Tommaso Teofili
tommaso.teof...@gmail.com
+1 from me (binding).
Karl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
With Jukka's vote, that's 2 down. We need one more...
Karl
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Tommaso Teofili
tommaso.teof...@gmail.com wrote:
+1
Tommaso
2012/1/4 Karl Wright
Hi Joe,
On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
My overall thoughts on this subject is that it is
interesting to see Bill participating in a discussion
that more or less amounts to knocking down the cathedral
we've erected here and replacing it with a bazaar.
Personally I'm not
Three binding +1's, 72 hours, vote passes.
Karl
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently, I'm now a member of the IPMC.
+1 from me. ;-)
Karl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
One more binding vote needed for this
Three binding +1's, 72 hours, vote passes.
Karl
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 from me (binding).
Karl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
We need one more binding IPMC vote for this sub-package. Any takers?
Three binding +1's, 72 hours, vote passes.
Karl
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 from me (binding).
Karl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
With Tommaso's and Jukka's vote, that's 2 down. We still need one
more
Three binding +1's, 72 hours, vote passes.
Karl
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
+1 from me (binding).
Karl
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Karl Wright daddy...@gmail.com wrote:
With Jukka's vote, that's 2 down. We need one more...
Karl
On Wed, Jan
Hey folks,
I just wanted to chime in with a +1 for the general direction. I think
there's actually a lot of work to do to iron out how to reorganize
things. Before digging in, I suggest we abstract out a little bit to
see if we have consensus on the overall goals and desired end state
before
I like this general direction as well; seems much more manageable. +1.
Karl
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Leo Simons m...@leosimons.com wrote:
Hey folks,
I just wanted to chime in with a +1 for the general direction. I think
there's actually a lot of work to do to iron out how to
On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 12:52:33AM +0100, Leo Simons wrote:
The basic idea is to split the current single really big group that is
the incubator into smaller groups that still cooperate and discuss and
whatnot, but are accountable and overseen separately. These smaller
groups become their own
Hi,
Just clarifying: this release candidate, RC5, has not yet received any votes
from anyone?
Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 02:51:41PM +0100, Reto Bachmann-Gmür wrote:
Hello,
While the last release candidate found a lot of acceptance (3 binding +1 in
the ppmc) it had to be
I don't think one approach precludes the other. Agreed that incubator
needs to keep going in the interim. Perhaps we can spin off groups
one at a time, starting with just one to get the bugs worked out?
Karl
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Fri,
I have a lateral thought. Assuming for the moment that Chris has
accepted or will accept a nomination, why not recommend *both* of us
to the board as co-chairs? The IPMC is special. New members pop up all
the time and need to be fed to the board; projects need karmic
assistance, etc. Having two
For me the question is one of direction. I think
Chris is making clear the kind of course he'd like
to pursue down the road.
Where do you stand on that discussion?
From: Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thursday,
On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
For me the question is one of direction. I think
Chris is making clear the kind of course he'd like
to pursue down the road.
Where do you stand on that discussion?
I support your direction of delegating more
On 2/2/2012 8:15 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
I support your direction of delegating more authority to podlings by
identifying qualified contributors and adding them to the IPMC. I also
support the general direction of Bill's proposal to demolish the
incubator
Credit where credit is due,
Peter Karman wrote on 1/30/12 8:51 PM:
Apache Lucy PPMC vote thread:
http://s.apache.org/uot
+1 Marvin Humphrey *+
+1 Chris Mattman *+
+1 Chris Hostetter *+
+1 David E. Wheeler *
+1 Nick Wellnhofer *
+1 Logan Bell *
* indicates Lucy PPMC member
+ indicates Incubator PMC
I intend to nominate Noel J. Bergman
I will leave my hat in the ring, but also note that a number of people have
expressed that not only is it time to vote for the Incubator PMC Chair, but
also that it is time for new, different, energy and ideas in that role. So
those people would certainly
Greetings,
The Apache Lucy team is pleased to announce the release of version 0.3.0
from the Apache Incubator!
Apache Lucy is full-text search engine library written in C and targeted at
dynamic languages. For a list of issues resolved in this version, please see
the full changelog below:
Based on the current discussions for radically redefining the Incubator, I
propose William A Rowe, Jr. for the new Incubator PMC Chair.
Between Bill and Chris Mattman, they are the leading forces behind the
proposed re-org, and I feel that, Bill would be the more experienced choice,
and hope that
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I intend to nominate Noel J. Bergman
I will leave my hat in the ring ...
But as others will have noted, if the proposed re-organization is to move
forward, I personally recommend Bill Rowe for the role, or Chris Mattman if
Bill won't take it. That new Incubator will be
Thanks Christian.
I'll accept, thanks for your kind words, and for those of Marvin and
Joe, and the comments from Benson and others.
I will note that should I be elected into this role, I will state that
I don't intend to be in it very long as I don't intend for it to exist
much longer. Should
Hi Benson,
I wouldn't have much problem with this, so long as I make it
clear that my intention isn't to remain in the position for longer than
one month, two months, whatever it takes to move towards
proposal/resolution and board recommendation to dissolve
the Incubator and the VP Incubator
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür r...@apache.org wrote:
Hello,
While the last release candidate found a lot of acceptance (3 binding +1 in
the ppmc) it had to be withdrawn because of missing or incorrect NOTICE and
license files. Also the source distribution contained the
Chris,
I will note that should I be elected into this role, I will state that
I don't intend to be in it very long as I don't intend for it to exist
much longer.
I spoke with Bill this evening, and have indicated to him that I'd like for
you and he to already start working on the re-org
On 2/2/2012 10:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
Thanks Christian.
I'll accept, thanks for your kind words, and for those of Marvin and
Joe, and the comments from Benson and others.
I will note that should I be elected into this role, I will state that
I don't intend to be in it
Hi Noel,
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:22 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Chris,
I will note that should I be elected into this role, I will state that
I don't intend to be in it very long as I don't intend for it to exist
much longer.
I spoke with Bill this evening, and have indicated to him that
On 2/2/2012 7:56 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
I have a lateral thought. Assuming for the moment that Chris has
accepted or will accept a nomination, why not recommend *both* of us
to the board as co-chairs? The IPMC is special. New members pop up all
the time and need to be fed to the board;
On 2/2/2012 11:38 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
However, please note that the re-org still has a position that is at least
analogous. You would not be getting off so easily. ;-)
:) Nope, it doesn't actually. Please read the thread carefully. That is
what is being suggested by Bill
Hey Bill,
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:37 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 2/2/2012 11:38 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
However, please note that the re-org still has a position that is at least
analogous. You would not be getting off so easily. ;-)
:) Nope, it doesn't actually. Please
Hi Bill,
On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:32 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
On 2/2/2012 10:20 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
Thanks Christian.
I'll accept, thanks for your kind words, and for those of Marvin and
Joe, and the comments from Benson and others.
I will note that should I be
Hi gents,
Syncope proposal [1] is still looking for more mentors: who is
interested in Identity Management and wants to get involved in one of
first Open Source projects in this field?
Moreover, is there any ASF committer wanting to contribute as initial
committer?
TIA.
Regards.
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