Re: [VOTE] Apache BVal as a TLP
+1 (binding) Regards JB -- Jean-Baptiste Onofré jbono...@apache.org http://blog.nanthrax.net Talend - http://wwx.talend.com - Reply message - From: Niall Pemberton niall.pember...@gmail.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: [VOTE] Apache BVal as a TLP Date: Thu, Feb 9, 2012 1:02 am +1 Niall On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din mn...@apache.org wrote: Hi... It has been discussed, since a while, about the graduation of Apache BVal, whether to graduate to a TLP or Subproject and whether it is time or not, [1], [2] and [3]. In the past few weeks there has been a [VOTE], [4], which formally discussed the graduation to a TLP project. Result announcement can be found here, [5]. It also has been decided to name the project Apache BVal [6]. The resolution charter content has been discussed and reviewed here [7]. *NOTE*: As per Niall's request, his name has been removed from the proposed PMC [8]. The Apache Bean Validation community sees it is time to request an IPMC [VOTE] on recommending this resolution [9] to the ASF board. Accordingly, would you please cast your vote: [ ] +1 to recommend Bean Validation's graduation [ ] 0 don't care [ ] -1 no, don't recommend yet, (because...) The vote will be open for 72 hours. [1] - http://s.apache.org/oTC [2] - http://s.apache.org/I8C [3] - http://s.apache.org/EQE [4] - http://s.apache.org/rU [5] - http://s.apache.org/7Sw [6] - http://s.apache.org/tY http://markmail.org/message/kzqgd7ff7t6p62va [7] - *http://s.apache.org/49R* [8] - http://s.apache.org/JYS [9] - See below: ## Resolution to create a TLP from graduating Incubator podling X. Establish the Apache BVal Project WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of open-source software related to the Bean Validation Specification and its implementation as Apache BVal for distribution at no charge to the public. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee (PMC), to be known as the Apache BVal Project, be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache BVal Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to creating an implementation compliant with the Bean Validation Specification and a library of pre-developed validators and extensions; and be it further RESOLVED, that the office of Vice President, Apache BVal be and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache BVal Project, and to have primary responsibility for management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the Apache BVal Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache BVal Project: - Albert Lee allee8...@apache.org - Carlos Vara Callau carlosv...@apache.org - David Jencks djen...@apache.org - Donald Woods dwo...@apache.org - Gerhard Petracek gpetra...@apache.org - Jeremy Bauer jrba...@apache.org - Kevan Lee Miller ke...@apache.org - Luciano Resende lrese...@apache.org - Matthias Wessendorf mat...@apache.org - Matthew Jason Benson mben...@apache.org - Mohammad Nour El-Din mn...@apache.org - Roman Stumm romanst...@apache.org - Simone Tripodi simonetrip...@apache.org - Mark Struberg strub...@apache.org NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Matthew Jason Benson be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache BVal, to serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it further RESOLVED, that the initial Apache BVal PMC be and hereby is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and increased participation in the Apache BVal Project; and be it further RESOLVED, that the Apache BVal Project be and hereby is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator Bean Validation podling; and be it further RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator Bean Validation podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator Project are hereafter discharged. -- Thanks - Mohammad Nour Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving - Albert Einstein - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: February report review
Hi, On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: I spent some time unifying report formatting and fixing some minor issues (like Stanbol needing an intro paragraph). I also pinged NPanday and Zeta Components that have still not reported (both also missed their previous report), asking them to report again next month unless they already have something ready. Zeta Components just submitted a late report, and Brett mentioned on npanday-dev@ that he'd write up something today. To clarify my above statement about missing previous reports, both NPanday and Zeta Components did report in December after missing the November slot. More generally, based on my earlier draft and the positive feedback I added a report summary [1] to the wiki page. I also included NPanday and Zeta Components in the categorization under ready to graduate and low activity. The last NPanday report from December lists a number of issues before graduation, but looking at the project stats it seems to me like all of them would already be solved. Feel free to recategorize the project if there still are open issues. As discussed and mentioned in their late report, the key issue for Zeta Components seems to be low activity. Sam suggested asking prodlings in category 2 to report back again next month on their progress towards solving the mentioned issues. I think that's perhaps a bit too aggressive (most of these issues take more than a month to solve) so I'd be happy to just raise awareness of the issue within the podlings and ask for a summary of actions and progress in their May report. I've included wording like that in the report summary on the wiki page. Feel free to edit if another approach would be better. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012?action=diffrev1=78rev2=79 BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 (binding) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 (binding) Tommaso 2012/2/9 Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: February report review
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Sam suggested asking prodlings in category 2 to report back again next month on their progress towards solving the mentioned issues. Hey, now don't go and start spreading false rumors here. Particularly as the archives are available for all to review. :-) Sam's suggestion was to do that IF THEY WERE STALLED. In particular what I said, and I quote, was: If there are plans, and there is evidence of recent progress towards resolving the issue, fine. I think that's perhaps a bit too aggressive (most of these issues take more than a month to solve) so I'd be happy to just raise awareness of the issue within the podlings and ask for a summary of actions and progress in their May report. I've included wording like that in the report summary on the wiki page. Feel free to edit if another approach would be better. What I would like to see is the Incubator start identifying PPMCs that are stalled, and to consider what information they need (in future reports) to help them (us) make such a determination. I am not suggesting that this be made retroactive. Or that it be done immediately. A plan would be fine: i.e., setting a date by which the IPMC will have decided what information needs to be in such reports, and a schedule by which the PPMCs need to start providing said information. [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2012?action=diffrev1=78rev2=79 BR, Jukka Zitting - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 (binding) Ralph On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 binding. Thanks for putting up this vote Chris On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- http://www.grobmeier.de https://www.timeandbill.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 (binding) Ate On 02/09/2012 04:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeiergrobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Moving forward
Hi Folks, So here's what I personally am going to do to help move forward here in the Incubator: 1. called VOTE for Jukka Zitting as chair. Seems at least for now, we need a new chair, and we've discussed it enough, so there you have it. 2. I wrote an Incubator deconstruction proposal here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal I still wholly believe in the proposal and that it should be implemented. It contains a series of (potentially revertible) steps that in my mind will remove unnecessary overheads and get us to the philosophy of Incubation yes; Incubator, no. The Incubator was a success, it's served its purpose. We should celebrate and move on. However as you all can probably tell, I've pretty much said all I am going to say (for now) about this proposal. My thoughts are pretty much out there (perhaps *too many of those thoughts*, *grin*). I leave the proposal as an open recommendation to the current Incubator PMC and really to the Apache board of what to do to fix the Incubator/Incubation process. Finally, I'd urge everyone to remain vigilant about the potential here over the next 6 months for the Incubator to look good, but for the problems to remain. It's easy to say what we're going to do when the spotlight is on us, but harder to effect lasting change. If anyone can help lead us there, Jukka is the guy, but my broader concern about simply removing the Incubator and eliminating its bureaucracy remains. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 (binding) Mike McCandless http://blog.mikemccandless.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? Ross On 9 February 2012 15:39, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: +1 (binding) Ate On 02/09/2012 04:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeiergrobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 (binding) Karl Wright On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Michael McCandless luc...@mikemccandless.com wrote: +1 (binding) Mike McCandless http://blog.mikemccandless.com On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. +1 Greg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: February report review
Hi, On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Sam suggested asking prodlings in category 2 to report back again next month on their progress towards solving the mentioned issues. Hey, now don't go and start spreading false rumors here. Particularly as the archives are available for all to review. :-) No misrepresentation intended, just an inaccurate generalization on my part. What I would like to see is the Incubator start identifying PPMCs that are stalled, and to consider what information they need (in future reports) to help them (us) make such a determination. I am not suggesting that this be made retroactive. Or that it be done immediately. A plan would be fine: i.e., setting a date by which the IPMC will have decided what information needs to be in such reports, and a schedule by which the PPMCs need to start providing said information. My suggestion is to ask the podlings now in category 2 to report again in May on their progress on the identified blockers. If there's been no measurable progress by then, we'll dig deeper to see what we can do. Podlings reporting in other months can be picked up for a similar oversight cycle over the coming months. By July we should then have a pretty accurate record of progress throughout the entire Incubator, including a clear list of podlings that are stuck and need help. Before the next quarterly report I'd rely on mentors to help the podlings identify and implement ways to move forward. And of course, if a podling or its mentors feel that more help is needed, asking on general@ or submitting an extra report is always a good idea. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Hi Ross, Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If you want to explicitly call a VOTE for Noel, go ahead, but this is the VOTE I am interested in calling, thanks! Cheers, Chris On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:50 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? Ross On 9 February 2012 15:39, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: +1 (binding) Ate On 02/09/2012 04:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeiergrobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zittingjukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet
Re: February report review
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: By July we should then have a pretty accurate record of progress throughout the entire Incubator, including a clear list of podlings that are stuck and need help. +1 - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 (binding) Thanks, Paul On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 17:10 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Ross, Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If you want to explicitly call a VOTE for Noel, go ahead, but this is the VOTE I am interested in calling, thanks! Cheers, Chris Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. I agree with Ross and Andrus that this is a strange way to hold an election, and I would be in favor of doing this in a different way. Greetings, Marcel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 9 February 2012 16:32, Marcel Offermans marcel.offerm...@luminis.nl wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 17:10 PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Ross, Sorry, I didn't see a mail from Noel, but he's already the chair. If this VOTE isn't successful, then he'll remain the chair. If you want to explicitly call a VOTE for Noel, go ahead, but this is the VOTE I am interested in calling, thanks! Cheers, Chris Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. I agree with Ross and Andrus that this is a strange way to hold an election, and I would be in favor of doing this in a different way. We could hold separate VOTEs for each remaining candidate, and then vote for the best vote thread? (joke) In case it's not obvious, I agree with Ross, Andrus and Marcel - I think the current VOTE thread is invalid and should be cancelled. Greetings, Marcel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: ...I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done... Agreed - I think Chris assumed there was only one candidate, but it's just an assumption AFAICS. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. What's preventing anyone from calling a VOTE on any other candidate? Of which, as I understand it, there are none. Noel is the existing chair. If this VOTE is *not* successful, then he remains the chair. If it is, successful, then the recommendation is to change him out as the chair. Did I miss something by actually trying to make progress here? Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 02/09/2012 05:54 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Jim Jagielskij...@jagunet.com wrote: ...I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done... Agreed - I think Chris assumed there was only one candidate, but it's just an assumption AFAICS. I agree. I already voted for Jukka, under the impression only he now remained candidate. Seeing that not being the case (or properly checked), I'm retracting my preliminary vote for Jukka (for now). Ate -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ate Douma wrote: On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. What's preventing anyone from calling a VOTE on any other candidate? Of which, as I understand it, there are none. Noel is the existing chair. If this VOTE is *not* successful, then he remains the chair. If it is, successful, then the recommendation is to change him out as the chair. Did I miss something by actually trying to make progress here? For one, how or when would you call this vote successful? The same way we could if there were 2 people on the ballot. Max(votes), with the greater number being the winner, no? There is little difference but implementation mechanism for: a. holding a single VOTE thread with 2 candidates b. holding 2 VOTE threads with a candidate each. And then summing the total votes in either case. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
[jira] [Resolved] (PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5) Establish Whether Apache Rave would be a Suitable Name
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Matt Franklin resolved PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5. --- Resolution: Fixed After examination of the results of this search and discussion with trademarks@, the Rave PPMC has decided to continue with the name Apache Rave and work to protect the trademark by executing this search before each quarterly board report. Establish Whether Apache Rave would be a Suitable Name Key: PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-5 Project: Podling Suitable Names Search Issue Type: Suitable Name Search Reporter: Matt Franklin -- This message is automatically generated by JIRA. If you think it was sent incorrectly, please contact your JIRA administrators: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ContactAdministrators!default.jspa For more information on JIRA, see: http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 9 February 2012 17:11, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ate Douma wrote: On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. What's preventing anyone from calling a VOTE on any other candidate? Of which, as I understand it, there are none. Noel is the existing chair. If this VOTE is *not* successful, then he remains the chair. If it is, successful, then the recommendation is to change him out as the chair. Did I miss something by actually trying to make progress here? For one, how or when would you call this vote successful? The same way we could if there were 2 people on the ballot. Max(votes), with the greater number being the winner, no? There is little difference but implementation mechanism for: a. holding a single VOTE thread with 2 candidates b. holding 2 VOTE threads with a candidate each. And then summing the total votes in either case. As long as: - people know that each vote thread is not the only vote thread - the votes are held at the same time so each person can vote for either (or both/neither). Otherwise one or other vote thread may have an unfair advantage. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 2/9/2012 10:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. Or as we say in the Windows world... ctrl+alt+delete. +1, a public vote is not the issue, /shrug. Listing all remaining candidates (with clear withdrawals from Chris and Benson) is how it must be done. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
I have observations (1) Why is the IPMC different from other PMCs and holding a personnel VOTEs on a public ML? (2) Why is there such a hurry to call a [VOTE] without a prior [DISCUSS]? (3) Why can't Chris start new threads by using New Message rather than a reply to a prior thread with a subject change? Regards, Dave On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 9:03 AM, Ate Douma wrote: On 02/09/2012 05:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:49 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote: Well, if there's an election, the fair thing is to include all candidates and see who gets the majority. A vote on just one candidate is odd. Agreed. I suggest that this VOTE be withdrawn, and a true election, with all candidates be done. What's preventing anyone from calling a VOTE on any other candidate? Of which, as I understand it, there are none. Noel is the existing chair. If this VOTE is *not* successful, then he remains the chair. If it is, successful, then the recommendation is to change him out as the chair. Did I miss something by actually trying to make progress here? For one, how or when would you call this vote successful? The same way we could if there were 2 people on the ballot. Max(votes), with the greater number being the winner, no? There is little difference but implementation mechanism for: a. holding a single VOTE thread with 2 candidates b. holding 2 VOTE threads with a candidate each. And then summing the total votes in either case. Cheers, Chris ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 2/9/2012 11:29 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: (1) Why is the IPMC different from other PMCs and holding a personnel VOTEs on a public ML? Just to clarify this single issue; by rights, adding committers and committee members is a personal issue about those individuals. But choosing a representative for the board is committee business, not business about personal matters. I don't mind which way committees choose to do it, nor whether they are secret ballots. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Moving forward
On 02/09/2012 07:42 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: 2. I wrote an Incubator deconstruction proposal here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal I still wholly believe in the proposal and that it should be implemented. It contains a series of (potentially revertible) steps that in my mind will remove unnecessary overheads and get us to the philosophy of Incubation yes; Incubator, no. The Incubator was a success, it's served its purpose. We should celebrate and move on. An alternative to pro-actively deconstructing the Incubator might be to try the direct-to-TLP approach on some new projects. If this new approach demonstrates a smoother path to TLP than traditional incubation then new projects would prefer it and the Incubator would wither and die a natural death. We don't need a vote by the IPMC to try this. Just find a candidate project and bring a proposal to the board. Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Mentors as the core of the IPMC
Imo it's always good to have a few pair of (active!) eyes having oversight. It's just simply too easy to miss something important - even for a long-time committed mentor. LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Mentors as the core of the IPMC One thing I would like to be bantered about: Long ago, it was customary to have a single mentor for a podling. Nowadays, the feelings are the more, the merrier. Has the above been an experiment which succeeded, failed or is moot? Justify your decision. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) +1 (binding) From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above effectively turned this into a single issue question: is now the time for Noah to be replaced by Jukka? There are no question that all four individuals in question are great guys. However despite the protestations to the contrary, all available evidence at the present time show that Jukka has more time available to devote to the Incubator. This means that we have here a (possibly only modestly incremental) improvement, and one that is readily reversible if necessary. What's not to like? - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 for Jukka As Sam said, the others are good candidates as well and Noel also did a wonderful job all the years. I expect that Jukka follows in his foot steps - maybe with a slight bit more presence ;) LieGrue, strub - Original Message - From: Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2012 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) +1 (binding) From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above effectively turned this into a single issue question: is now the time for Noah to be replaced by Jukka? There are no question that all four individuals in question are great guys. However despite the protestations to the contrary, all available evidence at the present time show that Jukka has more time available to devote to the Incubator. This means that we have here a (possibly only modestly incremental) improvement, and one that is readily reversible if necessary. What's not to like? - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 Doug On 02/09/2012 07:16 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On 02/09/2012 08:39 AM, sebb wrote: In case it's not obvious, I agree with Ross, Andrus and Marcel - I think the current VOTE thread is invalid and should be cancelled. I don't see how it is invalid. Chris might have added more choices or invited more discussion first, but he can call a vote. If you prefer that this choice not be made at this time then vote -1 and explain your rationale, no? Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) +1 (binding) From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above effectively turned this into a single issue question: is now the time for Noah to be replaced by Jukka? There are no question that all four individuals in question are great guys. However despite the protestations to the contrary, all available evidence at the present time show that Jukka has more time available to devote to the Incubator. This means that we have here a (possibly only modestly incremental) improvement, and one that is readily reversible if necessary. What's not to like? I'd still like a definitive list of who is running and a real vote that includes all candidates. Is the presumption that Jukka is the only candidate valid?? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 9, 2012 7:27 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On 02/09/2012 08:39 AM, sebb wrote: In case it's not obvious, I agree with Ross, Andrus and Marcel - I think the current VOTE thread is invalid and should be cancelled. I don't see how it is invalid. Chris might have added more choices or invited more discussion first, but he can call a vote. If you prefer that this choice not be made at this time then vote -1 and explain your rationale, no? Agreed. My concern in raising this was more about showing respect to or long serving chair than halting the vote (hence the DISCUSS tag). I want too ensure people can object, Chris' calling of the vote indicated, in error, that there was only one candidate. Ross Doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) +1 (binding) From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above effectively turned this into a single issue question: is now the time for Noah to be replaced by Jukka? There are no question that all four individuals in question are great guys. However despite the protestations to the contrary, all available evidence at the present time show that Jukka has more time available to devote to the Incubator. This means that we have here a (possibly only modestly incremental) improvement, and one that is readily reversible if necessary. What's not to like? I'd still like a definitive list of who is running and a real vote that includes all candidates. Is the presumption that Jukka is the only candidate valid?? Chris and I have bowed out in favor of Jukka. No one else was nominated except Noel, and Noel made it clear that he was ready to make way for a new chair if the community chose one. Bertrand and/or Sam asked us to try to reach a consensus on one candidate. So, this vote tests a consensus to install Jukka in place of Noel. If no one objects, I personally think that the question is entirely answered. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (binding) +1 (binding) From my perspective, Chris's proposal and Benson's vote above effectively turned this into a single issue question: is now the time for Noah to be replaced by Jukka? There are no question that all four individuals in question are great guys. However despite the protestations to the contrary, all available evidence at the present time show that Jukka has more time available to devote to the Incubator. This means that we have here a (possibly only modestly incremental) improvement, and one that is readily reversible if necessary. What's not to like? I'd still like a definitive list of who is running and a real vote that includes all candidates. Is the presumption that Jukka is the only candidate valid?? Not as far as I can find... http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201202.mbox/%3ccmeclhigikfcophdfpnooeifpaab.n...@devtech.com%3E --tim - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Podling graduation requirements and the incubation yes, incubator no proposal
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RE: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was traveling when the vote started. No worries. I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered, was willing to stand as Incubator PMC Chair, and would rotate out of the JackRabbit VP position. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 to Jukka. Many Many Thanks to Noel for guiding us all these years. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was traveling when the vote started. No worries. I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered, was willing to stand as Incubator PMC Chair, and would rotate out of the JackRabbit VP position. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 to Jukka Zitting! (non-binding) On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Davanum Srinivas dava...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to Jukka. Many Many Thanks to Noel for guiding us all these years. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was traveling when the vote started. No worries. I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered, was willing to stand as Incubator PMC Chair, and would rotate out of the JackRabbit VP position. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://davanum.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org -- Best Regards, Edward J. Yoon @eddieyoon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: subversion committer access for podding project
Thanks Craig. :) regards, Eric On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: Hi Eric, This request was completed on January 20 based on your request. Craig On Feb 7, 2012, at 9:59 PM, Eric Yang wrote: Hi Richard, The result thread was sent to private@incubator.a.o on Jan 17. I am not sure how to reference to private mailing thread, but I will send you a copy. Thank you for your help. regards, Eric On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Richard Frovarp rfrov...@apache.org wrote: On 02/07/2012 03:19 PM, Eric Yang wrote: Hi ipmc, Chukwa community has recently voted in a new committer. ICLA has been filed for the user, and the user has received unix account on people.a.o. However, none of Chukwa mentor or ppmc have krama to grant subversion access to the new committer. INFRA says it is responsibility of pmc chair to grant access. How should we proceed from here? Thanks regards, Eric Any PMC chair can grant access, and there are many on this list (including myself). However, we're going to need the result thread from the IPMC vote, and the user name before we make the change. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org Craig L Russell Secretary, Apache Software Foundation c...@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
With Noel's email, this vote makes sense now. +1 to Jukka (binding) Cheers, Andrus On Feb 9, 2012, at 6:16 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
RE: [DISCUSS] Re: [VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Thank you Noel. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 10, 2012 2:32 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Ross Gardler wrote: I'm ready to vote, but Chris said it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer standing? Have I missed something? There wasn't one. I was traveling when the vote started. No worries. I have no issue with standing down after 8 years, and Jukka is an excellent and active successor. I was exceedingly pleased to see his message that he had reconsidered, was willing to stand as Incubator PMC Chair, and would rotate out of the JackRabbit VP position. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re:[VOTE] Jukka Zitting for IPMC Chair (was Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
+1 Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 9, 2012 3:17 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: Hi Folks, OK there has been enough discussion here. It's time to VOTE for a new IPMC chair and it looks like the remaining folks (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the following nominee: Jukka Zitting. Suffice to say, he was *my first choice* :) In the interest of moving the current discussion matters forward, please VOTE on this recommendation to the board by the IPMC. I'll leave the VOTE open for at least the next 72 hours: [ ] +1 Recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position. [ ] +0 Don't care. [ ] -1 Don't recommend Jukka Zitting for the IPMC chair position because... Note that only VOTEs from the Incubator PMC members are binding, but all are welcome to voice their opinion and it will be recorded in the final tallies. Finally, just to note, these VOTEs on personnel are normally the only thing in Apache that is discussed in private (human/social issues), but in the interest of openness and transparency that has been demonstrated here during these discussions, I will hold this VOTE on the public list. Thanks! Cheers, Chris P.S. Here's my +1. Thanks buddy. On Feb 8, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: I am happy to step out of the way for Jukka. He was clever enough to stay out of the email s*** storm, and that alone, in my mind, renders him most qualified. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: I already mentioned that I would have nominated you, and so I am delighted to read your message. It will be very difficult to choose between all these strong candidates. Cheers On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, After consideration and some convincing (thanks!), I've decided to throw also my hat into the ring as a candidate to be the next chairman of the IPMC. I believe in that role I could be more effective in focusing more of our collective attention at where I think it would do most good - at the actual podlings we're here to help. That said, the current incubation process clearly has problems and I very much support efforts to improve the way we work (even if the result is to replace the Incubator with something better). However, I'd like to leave the leadership on these efforts to others and, as mentioned elsewhere, rather try to act as a balancing force that helps achieve consensus where possible. Should I be elected, I'd resign as the chairman of the Jackrabbit PMC. In fact I think it's in any case high time for Jackrabbit to be rotating that role. Finally, if elected (and assuming the IPMC still exists), I'd serve for at most two years before calling for a re-election, or possibly much less if I don't find enough free cycles to perform the duty as well as it should. BR, Jukka Zitting ++ Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. Senior Computer Scientist NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ ++ Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA ++ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
