Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: What has changed in the last year and a half is that we no longer ignore it when podlings fail to report -- we put them into monthly and review the situation month to month. Between that and requiring Mentor

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: We do have problems; see above. To address our problems, I advocate incremental, reversible changes and controlled experiments. With that said, my proposal is not a radical overhaul. There are parts of it I can get

What is The Apache Way?

2015-01-07 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: Some podlings are graduating w/ no clear understanding of the Apache Way. What is The Apache Way? No one can say. There is no bounded set of expectations that an Apache project must fulfill. Where do Apache's

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Henry Saputra
Alan, thanks for the clarification. I agree that this is in the context of podling/ incubator projects. - Henry On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: One wording that could confuse

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Branko Čibej
On 07.01.2015 22:45, Henry Saputra wrote: If a mentor asked to stay as PMC after graduation just for the sake of continue mentoring, then I would argue that the podling was not ready for graduation. A graduated TLP inviting the former mentor to the PMC is a different matter, but then the IPMC

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal From that page: People who wish to become mentors that are not in the IPMC

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal From that page: People who wish to become mentors that are not in the IPMC must be a novice mentor, whose mentorship is not counted as an active mentor,

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, at 06:46 PM, jan i wrote: On 7 January 2015 at 19:32, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D.

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: The Incubator has made important progress. I want to quickly acknowledge that we have made immense, immense, progress thanks in no small part to our IPMC chairs over the years. A lot of hard work was done and that

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Henry Saputra
One wording that could confuse people: after which they are removed from the PMC unless they are committers. If someone already a PMC, he or she is also a committer. In ASF a committer is someone who can commit code into the repository. If a mentor asked to stay as PMC after graduation just for

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote: One wording that could confuse people: after which they are removed from the PMC unless they are committers. If someone already a PMC, he or she is also a committer. In ASF a committer is someone who can commit code

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Henry Saputra
+1 I would recommend to remove that particular line about mentor staying as mentor sake. Either mentors join in as full fledge PMC (and as committer) or not at all. - Henry On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 07.01.2015 22:45, Henry Saputra wrote: If a

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Branko Čibej
On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority during releases. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority during releases.

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread jan i
On 7 January 2015 at 19:32, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote: On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote: On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold mentors accountable but also give

proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Alan D . Cabrera
I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority during releases. https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal What we would gain is