Re: [VOTE] Release Apache MXNet (incubating) version 1.7.0.rc1

2020-07-28 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi,

> Again, we are NOT releasing release candidates. 

No but companies that your PPMC members are employed by are. 

Those PPMC members are in a good position to make sure their employers are 
aware of and follow ASF policies where needed. It's part of a (P)PMC duties to 
make sure branding, releases and trademarks are correctly followed. [1] At the 
very least these PPMC members should be bringing it to the attention of the 
PPMC for discussion on what to do. Ideally the companies involved should be 
going to the PPMC to ask for feedback or review on this sort of content and 
releases.

Having un-voted on release candidates been made available to the general public 
with the projects name on it is problematic in a number of ways.

> - We will include a branding and trademark usage guideline page on mxnet
> website.

That would be help. You can also just refer people to existing ASF policies.

> - We will conduct a review of trademark usage as part of our board
> reporting process.

As there are now several outstanding trademarks issue that would be 
appreciated. The original issue the board brought to the incubator attention 
still has not been fully addressed. You next report is not due for a few 
months, however you are welcome to make an out of band report. Either way I'll 
need some information to include in the next incubator report due in a week or 
so.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility.html

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Re: [DISCUSS] New builds server and who should access

2020-07-28 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 1:50 PM Josh Fischer  wrote:
> 2.) Why just IPMC members?  Seems it could be helpful/empowering to allow
> committers access to this folder to help when they want to/can.   I can
> also see that opening this folder up to all incubator committers increases
> the possibility of error.

At the very least, allow PPMC members access to the folder for their project?

Nathan

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Re: [DISCUSS] New builds server and who should access

2020-07-28 Thread Josh Fischer
1.) I agree

2.) Why just IPMC members?  Seems it could be helpful/empowering to allow
committers access to this folder to help when they want to/can.   I can
also see that opening this folder up to all incubator committers increases
the possibility of error.

- Josh

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:22 PM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Do we want to have podlings request their own separate folders to ease
> transitions and help with graduation and retirement? My answer is yes.
>
> +1 to that as its less work for project, infra and the incubator.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Distribution guidelines for platforms

2020-07-28 Thread Gosling Von
Hi,

+1, binding.

I've been quietly following similar discussion in some different threads, 
because I've had the same issues with mentoring incubators, including help some 
pmc members to release in some TLPs. According to my understanding, whether it 
is incubation project or top-level project, there are some unclear places in 
the distribution, especially after more and more package management tools 
appear, PyPI, NuGet, Helm, DockerHub and so on. I highly respect the 
foundation's concern and effort on intellectual property and brand legal. From 
the perspective of the development of the project, we may need to have more 
flexible mechanisms to ensure that our products are easy to be distributed. 
thus improving the speed of iteration and release flexibility of the products. 
In that point, clarification in incubators is a great thing, and projects can 
learn to adapt to the rules as soon as they are hatched. But I'm also concerned 
about whether the rules should be applied to the top-level projects(Maybe this 
discussion goes beyond IPMC), and I would be totally supportive of such 
continuity and compliance between Podlings and TLPs.


Best Regards,
Von Gosling

> On Jul 21, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> This has been in discussion in many threads for more than a year [1] so a 
>> few more days is not a big deal.
> 
> Anyone have anything to add at this point?
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
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