Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 04 February 2007 22:42, robert burrell donkin wrote:  * donations (whether covered by a CLA, JIRA opt in or a software grant) Shouldn't we avoid the word donation?? Code is not donated to ASF, it is licensed. Time is perhaps donated to ASF, but not IP... Cheers Niclas

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-05 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 2/5/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 04 February 2007 22:42, robert burrell donkin wrote: * donations (whether covered by a CLA, JIRA opt in or a software grant) Shouldn't we avoid the word donation?? Code is not donated to ASF, it is licensed. Time is perhaps donated

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-05 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 2/4/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: Please give me a case where back channel commits are permitted under the proposed commit policy? the wording does not make clear the intention of the rule for example, i post: feature X is totally

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-05 Thread Jean T. Anderson
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 2/5/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 04 February 2007 22:42, robert burrell donkin wrote: * donations (whether covered by a CLA, JIRA opt in or a software grant) Shouldn't we avoid the word donation?? Code is not donated to ASF, it is

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-05 Thread Chris Howe
--- Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/5/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 04 February 2007 22:42, robert burrell donkin wrote: * donations (whether covered by a CLA, JIRA opt in or a software grant) Shouldn't we avoid the word donation?? Code is not donated

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-05 Thread Ted Husted
On 2/5/07, Niclas Hedhman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 04 February 2007 22:42, robert burrell donkin wrote: * donations (whether covered by a CLA, JIRA opt in or a software grant) Shouldn't we avoid the word donation?? Code is not donated to ASF, it is licensed. Time is perhaps donated

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-05 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 2/5/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe people are donating a copyright to the code. A license Well, the problem with that phrasing is that most people would wrongly assume 'donating a copyright' means 'donating the copyright ownership' - it's way too subtle. We all know that

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: On 2/3/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they aren't a committer yet, they post a patch (jira or list) just like every other wannabe future committer. When the volume and quality are reasonable,

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-04 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 2/4/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: On 2/3/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they aren't a committer yet, they post a patch (jira or list) just like every other wannabe future

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: please reread carefully the actual comment Gotcha - more of what I agreed with deeper into your post. In the first case, the reason is that patches should be publicly offered and not privately back-channeled, iCLA or no. We don't have svnmongers here. Future

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-04 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 2/4/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: robert burrell donkin wrote: snip In the first case, the reason is that patches should be publicly offered and not privately back-channeled, iCLA or no. We don't have svnmongers here. Future committers should participate publicly.

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-04 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
robert burrell donkin wrote: Please give me a case where back channel commits are permitted under the proposed commit policy? the wording does not make clear the intention of the rule for example, i post: feature X is totally fantastic and i've attached some code that nearly implements

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-03 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James Margaris wrote: -1 from me. (If I even have a vote...) Although only ASF members/Incubator PMC votes are 'counted', yes everyone here has a voice - we do appreciate everyone's input. So should every podling. +1 - robert

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-03 Thread Niall Pemberton
+1 to Bill's suggestion of having an ASF Commit Policy - but there are many points in this thread that would be good to be incorporated in his original suggestion. Niall On 2/3/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they aren't a

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm proposing the following policy become explicit across the incubator;.. I'm +1 on the idea, with a suggestion below. ...committers may commit code they personally authored, or with proper attribution, commit patches posted

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread Martin van den Bemt
I am +1 on this and the main reason for this is that people that become committers through the incubator don't necessarily have any experience with apache projects and how issues like this are normally handled. As a side effect it gives us the option to link to this policy in case something

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread Thilo Goetz
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm proposing the following policy become explicit across the incubator;.. I'm +1 on the idea, with a suggestion below. ...committers may commit code they personally authored, or with proper

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread Upayavira
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...I'm proposing the following policy become explicit across the incubator;.. I'm +1 on the idea, with a suggestion below. ...committers may commit code they personally authored, or with proper

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread Upayavira
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Upayavira wrote: I'd add clarification about 'committing third party code' with reference to libraries. I should be able to commit the latest log4j jar without having to do any jira nuisance. This is about committing the code itself as a contribution, not as a

RE: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread James Margaris
it addesses it? It is very difficult for me to see what the goal here is and if that goal is being achieved. James Margaris -Original Message- From: Upayavira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 2:35 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [Vote] Incubating

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-02 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Ted Husted wrote: I think the real issue here is off-list discussions. Third is, yes. The other two thirds... So long as the commit is above-board, properly documentation in the Subversion log, and backed by a ICLA when applicable, I don't see what difference posting it to JIRA first

[Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
I believe many projects practice this policy, although it's unwritten, and perhaps there are others who don't (and probably deserve some scrutiny to determine if it's helpful or harmful). I'm proposing the following policy become explicit across the incubator; Where the project policy permits

RE: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-01 Thread James Margaris
PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 2/1/2007 4:36 PM To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy I believe many projects practice this policy, although it's unwritten, and perhaps there are others who don't (and probably deserve some scrutiny to determine if it's helpful or harmful

Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy

2007-02-01 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
James Margaris wrote: -1 from me. (If I even have a vote...) Although only ASF members/Incubator PMC votes are 'counted', yes everyone here has a voice - we do appreciate everyone's input. So should every podling. If I want to check in some third party code with a proper license, I don't