Noel J. Bergman wrote (07-06-11 02:03)
Michael Meeks:
I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for
the OO.o project in the long run.
You:
I agree; you draw the same inference that I do: he means that a
non-copyleft license is the reason for (predicted eventual) failure.
Is
Hi Jim,
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 16:14 -0400, Jim Jagielski wrote:
certainly don't help. It just reinforces a perceived division
as well as almost forcing the other side to take a defensive
stance.
Hey ho; I see my name being taken intravenously ;-) so the longer quote
from a private
Michael,
Conclusion:
I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the OO.o project
in the long run.
Supporting statements:
They are sufficiently confident and comfortable with their model that
attempting to negotiate over changing any core aspect of it (such as the
Noel,
I think your labels Conclusion and Supporting statements are incorrect,
and that might explain why you fail to see how you draw the conclusion from
the supporting arguments. The paragraph in question may contain more than
one conclusion, and it may contain one or more opinions which the
Noel J. Bergman wrote (06-06-11 23:51)
Conclusion:
I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the OO.o project in
the long run.
Supporting statements:
[...]
Supporting explanation ;-)
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser
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Cor Nouws wrote (07-06-11 00:31)
Noel J. Bergman wrote (06-06-11 23:51)
Conclusion:
I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the
OO.o project in the long run.
Supporting statements:
[...]
Supporting explanation ;-)
Cor Nouws wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote (06-06-11 23:51)
Conclusion:
I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the
OO.o project in the long run.
Supporting statements:
[...]
Supporting explanation ;-)
Allen Pulsifer wrote:
I think your labels Conclusion and Supporting statements are incorrect
To the contrary, Cor indicates that I nailed the matter quite squarely.
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On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:03 AM, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote:
Allen Pulsifer wrote:
I think your labels Conclusion and Supporting statements are
incorrect
To the contrary, Cor indicates that I nailed the matter quite
Cor Nouws wrote (04-06-11 01:49)
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 01:10)
That is the key difference. general@incubator is not talking to the
press.
It is an Apache process. Seems logic to me that you do not talk to the
press about that (at this stage).
Hmm, got that wrong I see now
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:52:48AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hmm, got that wrong I see now
http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org
Which is no problem for me, but obviously I misunderstood your
statement about not talking to the press.
On 4 June 2011 11:33, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:52:48AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hmm, got that wrong I see now
http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org
Which is no problem for me, but obviously I
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:52:48AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hmm, got that wrong I see now
http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org
Which is no problem for me, but obviously I
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 06:19:06AM -0500, Norbert Thiebaud wrote:
Jagielski says what is typical for Apache is building (or even
_re-building_) communities around those codebases.
Which is true. It does not say that TDF is not able to.
...
He says that makes Apache the perfect place to help
On 4 June 2011 12:19, Norbert Thiebaud nthieb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 5:33 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote:
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:52:48AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hmm, got that wrong I see now
Hi Jim,
Jim Jagielski wrote (04-06-11 12:33)
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:52:48AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hmm, got that wrong I see now
http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org
Which is no problem for me, but obviously I misunderstood your
On Jun 4, 2011, at 8:39 AM, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hi Jim,
Jim Jagielski wrote (04-06-11 12:33)
On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:52:48AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hmm, got that wrong I see now
http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org
Which is no
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:27 AM, Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com wrote:
I can see why some might read into those statements implications that
probably were not intended. That is the problem with perspectives :-)
I used these quote to illustrate that and to put that in parallel with
the complaint
Hi Jim,
Jim Jagielski wrote (04-06-11 19:42)
I must have significantly misinterpreted the below:
However, I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home
for the OO.o project in the long run, Meeks said. They are
sufficiently confident and comfortable with their model that
On 3 Jun 2011, at 21:14, Jim Jagielski wrote:
Posts such as:
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3935136/LibreOffice-340-Released-as-OpenOffice-Heads-to-Apache.htm
certainly don't help. It just reinforces a perceived division
as well as almost forcing the other side to
Hi Jim, all,
short intro
Long time OpenOffice.org contributor in various areas. Mainly
LibreOffice since Sept. 2010. One of the founders there.
Now looking at a Thinderbird folder with more than 300 mails, of which
I've only read a few up until now :-)
Living in The Netherlands, so If I skip
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 10:50:43PM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:
Hi Jim, all,
I do not understand why that should be a shame.
All I read is explanation of the situation, among which implicitly
an important difference: the copy-left versus non copy-left. That is
a personal style, choice that is
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 16:50, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
...
Jim Jagielski wrote (03-06-11 22:14)
Posts such as:
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3935136/LibreOffice-340-Released-as-OpenOffice-Heads-to-Apache.htm
certainly don't help. It just reinforces a perceived
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 17:57, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote:
Michael is repeating some invariants that he and other LO/TDF people
have stated, politely and consistently, since the inception of this
discussion. They are committed to copyleft, they see dependencies with
copyleft,
In the long run we are all dead ;-) So let's concentrate on the short run to
start with.
On 4 Jun 2011 01:24, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 19:49, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 01:1...
However, I do not believe the ASF is likely to
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 02:23)
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 19:49, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 01:10)
That is the key difference. general@incubator is not talking to the
press.
It is an Apache process. Seems logic to me that you do not talk to the press
about
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 20:36, Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 02:23)
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 19:49, Cor Nouwsoo...@nouenoff.nl wrote:
...
I don't see any smack in it. I read he is giving his opinion in a polite
manner. (Have seen different quotes from him in the
Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl wrote on 06/03/2011 08:36:20 PM:
(So seeing Robs questionnaire: it won't be easy to get ground for many
positive replies. But of course it is good to try. I even might step in
with some suggestions, that however always tend to fail, since my mind
does not take
However, I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home
for the OO.o project in the long run, Meeks said.
When I read that, I also did not see anything offensive. I believe when
Michael said that he was thinking of OOo as he knows it, which is a desktop
application. The ASF has no
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 02:56)
rather than talk bad about
Still not get that 'bad' ;-)
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