Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
I echo Andrew's reservations. The reasons behind the restriction of LGPLed imports are unclear and apparently undocumented. Such a crucial matter deserves to be properly documented. If the restriction cannot be justified, then it should be lifted. I urge all Apache members and committers to

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Sam Ruby
Ceki Gülcü wrote: I echo Andrew's reservations. The reasons behind the restriction of LGPLed imports are unclear and apparently undocumented. Such a crucial matter deserves to be properly documented. If the restriction cannot be justified, then it should be lifted. You have that backwards.

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 07:21 12.02.2003 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: LGPL has special rules for 'link'. What exactly is the concept of a 'link' in Java? If A imports B and A and B are not in the same Java package (but perhaps share some similar names in the first three qualifiers) are they in the same 'library' or

Re: Microsoft attempts to patent .NET

2003-02-12 Thread Nathaniel G. Auvil
The true question will be whether they plan to enfore the patents. Which, looking at their track record and anti-open source position, seems likely. --- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surprise surprise... http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61thread=6843 --

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
No, it is not up to the ASF. However, has the ASF attempted to clarify the matter with the FSF? Why not ask the FSF if importing java classes is considered as derivative work or simply as work that uses the library? In the absence of a clear response from the FSF, there is no doubt that it

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Sam Ruby
Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 07:21 12.02.2003 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: LGPL has special rules for 'link'. What exactly is the concept of a 'link' in Java? If A imports B and A and B are not in the same Java package (but perhaps share some similar names in the first three qualifiers) are they in the

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Sam Ruby
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: No, it is not up to the ASF. However, has the ASF attempted to clarify the matter with the FSF? Why not ask the FSF if importing java classes is considered as derivative work or simply as work that uses the library? In the absence of a clear response from the FSF,

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I will do this as well. Thanks. -Andy A better approach would be to send the e-mail to http://emoglen.law.columbia.edu/ -Andy - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

[DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - January 2003

2003-02-12 Thread Robert Oxspring
Jakarta Newsletter == Issue: 7 Date: January 2003 Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200301.html The month has been quite busy for apache folks, with new apache projects, new jakarta subprojects and talk of even more. And to reassure you that the code is also coming along

[DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - January 2003

2003-02-12 Thread Robert Oxspring
Jakarta Newsletter == Issue: 7 Date: January 2003 Url: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/200301.html The month has been quite busy for apache folks, with new apache projects, new jakarta subprojects and talk of even more. And to reassure you that the code is also coming along

Re: [DRAFT1] Jakarta Newsletter - January 2003

2003-02-12 Thread Robert Oxspring
This does look to be a february item... I'm inclined to hang onto it for next time but if people disagree then we can whack it in. Thanks, Rob Daniel F. Savarese wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], robert burr ell donkin writes: (here's some bits and pieces from the commons.) Jakarta

RE: Microsoft attempts to patent .NET

2003-02-12 Thread Xavier Prelat
Thank you Robert, DRAFT2 is the best answer to M$ patenting policy!!! Regards Xavier XP -Message d'origine- XP De : Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] XP Envoye : mercredi 12 fevrier 2003 14:37 XP A : Jakarta General List XP Objet : Re: Microsoft attempts to patent .NET XP XP

CVS Q

2003-02-12 Thread neil
HI Folks I was at apachecon ! I'm hoping to have a chat with anyone who runs CVS for 50+ developers in a fast moving environment. I'm looking for some very basic pointers on whether we should implement it or not. Also might be in the market for some consultancy if anyone is based in the UK.

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Steve Downey
No, it is not up to the ASF. However, has the ASF attempted to clarify the matter with the FSF? Why not ask the FSF if importing java classes is considered as derivative work or simply as work that uses the library? It doesn't really matter. There are restrictions imposed on a 'work that

Re: CVS Q

2003-02-12 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2003/2/12 8:55 AM, neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at apachecon ! I'm hoping to have a chat with anyone who runs CVS for 50+ developers in a fast moving environment. I'm looking for some very basic pointers on whether we should implement it or not. Also might be in the market for some

RE: CVS Q

2003-02-12 Thread O'brien, Tim
-Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] on 2003/2/12 8:55 AM, neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was at apachecon ! I'm hoping to have a chat with anyone who runs CVS for 50+ developers in a fast moving environment. I'm looking for some very basic

karma for jakarta-site2

2003-02-12 Thread Scott Eade
Could someone grant me karma to jakarta-site2? I want to alter the mailing list details for the projects that have moved to db.apache.org. Thanks in advance, Scott -- Scott Eade Backstage Technologies Pty. Ltd. http://www.backstagetech.com.au .Mac Chat/AIM: seade at mac dot com

Re: Microsoft attempts to patent .NET

2003-02-12 Thread Stephane Mor
On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 01:06:28PM +0100, Christoph Wilhelms wrote: Surprise surprise... http://www.javalobby.org/thread.jsp?forum=61thread=6843 Does this surprise anybody ;)? M$ is the reason why I did not have intensively dealt with .NET - even it might be a good technology... But

Call for papers Web applications conference

2003-02-12 Thread Bram Moolenaar
[I'm sending this here, because I'm hoping someone is interested in giving a presentation about Jakarta] CALL FOR PAPERS NLUUG Spring conference 2003 WEB APPLICATIONS Zen and the art of internet