Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-19 Thread Henri Yandell
On Nov 19, 2007 12:44 AM, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 10:20 AM, Thomas Vandahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Why? W/o Jakarta, the diagrams don't make any sense. For example, the Jakarta-free one has velocity's only relationship to DB

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-19 Thread Ted Husted
I would tend to agree with Jim. The commit rights never attached to Jakarta but only to a specific subproject under the Jakarta umbrella. There has never been any such thing as a Jakarta committer, only committers to current and former Jakarta subprojects. Likewise, there is no such thing as an

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Nov 16, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta always ended up dominating the graphs, so the version on my blog has Jakarta excluded. Why? W/o Jakarta, the diagrams don't

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Thomas Vandahl
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Why? W/o Jakarta, the diagrams don't make any sense. For example, the Jakarta-free one has velocity's only relationship to DB (!), and for Harmony, to DB and XML! Ant, arguably one of the most pervasive projects, has no connection to anything else... I agree with

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Rahul Akolkar
On 11/16/07, Jukka Zitting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta always ended up dominating the graphs, so the version on my blog has Jakarta excluded. If you're interested, there's a

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Nov 18, 2007, at 1:47 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 12:07 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Niall Pemberton
On Nov 18, 2007 12:07 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 16, 2007, at 3:13 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta always ended up dominating the graphs, so the

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... Jukka's graph shows committer cross-polination, not *codebase* cross-polination (as I understand it)... So yes, since most committers for most ASF java

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Nathan Bubna
On Nov 18, 2007 1:10 PM, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... Jukka's graph shows committer cross-polination, not *codebase* cross-polination (as I

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Nathan Bubna
On Nov 18, 2007 1:14 PM, Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 1:10 PM, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... Jukka's graph shows

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Nov 18, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 01:58:29PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: But that's the fact - that most of JavaLand sprang from jakarta... Jukka's graph shows committer cross-polination, not *codebase* I don't think that anyone confused

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Jukka is not subsribed, but the reason there are 5 is to kind of limit the size of the image (1 results in a huge image) Mvgr, Martin Nathan Bubna wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 1:14 PM, Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 18, 2007 1:10 PM, Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov

Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-18 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Nov 18, 2007 10:20 AM, Thomas Vandahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Why? W/o Jakarta, the diagrams don't make any sense. For example, the Jakarta-free one has velocity's only relationship to DB (!), and for Harmony, to DB and XML! Ant, arguably one of the most

Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-17 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, Earlier today I did some graphs on cross-pollination among Apache projects and blogged a summary at [1]. Jakarta always ended up dominating the graphs, so the version on my blog has Jakarta excluded. If you're interested, there's a version with Jakarta in it at [2]. :-) [1]