Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-15 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 15 Dec 2004, at 02:27, Tim O'Brien wrote: I believe the plan is to have a directory per subproject. Below that, structure will depend on what an individual subproject needs. But, there are some tricky questions to answer especially in subprojects with multiple "artifacts". Take jakarta commo

RE: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread Tim O'Brien
trunk, tags, and branches will go. Tim > -Original Message- > From: Richard Bair [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 5:37 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned) > > > we're moving to subversi

Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread Ian Springer
Richard Bair wrote: we're moving to subversion and there have been quite a few discussions about the best ways of laying our repositories recently. if you can use subversion, seriously consider using it. the way our subversion repository is laid out is a little different. - robert Hmm... I

Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread Richard Bair
> we're moving to subversion and there have been quite > a few discussions > about the best ways of laying our repositories > recently. if you can use > subversion, seriously consider using it. the way our > subversion > repository is laid out is a little different. > > - robert Hmm... I have

Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread robert burrell donkin
used Jmeter for web testing? Please respond if you have used this tool or you know how to use it. Thanks, Jim. -Original Message- From: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:57 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons

RE: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread Jim Amini
CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned) On 13 Dec 2004, at 22:20, Richard Bair wrote: > Thanks everyone for your insight! > > Related to this, I have a question regarding the > organizational structure of CVS. I noticed that > cvs.apache.org has, predictably, a different package > for al

Re: Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-14 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 13 Dec 2004, at 22:20, Richard Bair wrote: Thanks everyone for your insight! Related to this, I have a question regarding the organizational structure of CVS. I noticed that cvs.apache.org has, predictably, a different package for all of the top-level projects, and even sub-projects (although al

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-14 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 13 Dec 2004, at 01:04, Felipe Leme wrote: On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 21:15, robert burrell donkin wrote: though committing a few risky patches in the hope of recruiting a new committer might seem like a good plan, there are definite drawbacks. I agree. I didn't mean that all patches, but they should

Apache CVS (was Re: Lessons Learned)

2004-12-13 Thread Richard Bair
Thanks everyone for your insight! Related to this, I have a question regarding the organizational structure of CVS. I noticed that cvs.apache.org has, predictably, a different package for all of the top-level projects, and even sub-projects (although all of the commons-components are considered co

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread J Aaron Farr
robert burrell donkin wrote: beware too many organizational layers. flat is best. having a single sub-project with many releasables artifacts sharing the same community space (mailing lists, committer lists, voting eligability and so on) has proved more successful (see jakarta commons) than a co

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread Felipe Leme
On Sun, 2004-12-12 at 21:15, robert burrell donkin wrote: > though committing a few risky patches in the hope of recruiting a new > committer might seem like a good plan, there are definite drawbacks. I agree. I didn't mean that all patches, but they should at least be 'acknowledged'. Even a co

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
Great post, completely agreed! This may sound arrogant, but sometimes there are patches that simply seem hopeless. One strategy not to offend anyone while rejecting the patch is to intentionally ignore it. Oliver On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 23:15:20 +, robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 12 Dec 2004, at 17:30, Felipe Leme wrote: I would add a note to Danny's comment: treat contributors as your primary users. I have seem many projects (inside and outside ASF) where people submit patches and the patches are just ignored, without even an explanation why it was not accepted. I know

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
Unless, for example, you do this intentionally ;) Oliver On Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:30:10 -0200, Felipe Leme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would add a note to Danny's comment: treat contributors as your > primary users. > > I have seem many projects (inside and outside ASF) where people submit > p

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-12 Thread Felipe Leme
I would add a note to Danny's comment: treat contributors as your primary users. I have seem many projects (inside and outside ASF) where people submit patches and the patches are just ignored, without even an explanation why it was not accepted. I know that applying a patch is not that simple in

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-11 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10 Dec 2004, at 09:28, Danny Angus wrote: If you were starting all over today, what things would you have done differently? What are the blind alleys? Keep it simple. Keep it public. Have one official communication channel for decision making, we use well publicised mailinglists for a reason,

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-10 Thread Richard Bair
Thanks everybody for their input. > Jakarta is a meritocracy, I believe that that is why > it works. But I think > the real lesson for you is, don't ask *us*, have a > look at what we do but > ask your own community to make these choices. Will do! Thanks Richard _

Re: Lessons Learned

2004-12-10 Thread Danny Angus
Richard, Hi. > I was wondering; what are the lessons learned? Everything you see is a lesson learned, what you see in practice is our best, but still admittedly flawed, practice. > If you were starting all over today, what things would you have > done differently? What are the bli

Lessons Learned

2004-12-09 Thread Richard Bair
;all are the experts when it comes to hosting open source projects and an open source community. I was wondering; what are the lessons learned? If you were starting all over today, what things would you have done differently? What are the blind alleys? Also, I have been researching and designing t