Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

rta General List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? > except that licence, is only used in Middle English > > > -Original Message- > > From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

except that licence, is only used in Middle English > -Original Message- > From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:20 AM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? > > > Are you refe

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

"Ted Husted" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? > http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=license > > http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=lic

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

"Marc Saegesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would love to see a document describes the Apache Software License, the > philosophy behind it and why we think the ASL is a good thing. What I don't > want is another tirade about why GPL sucks. That's a "good thing" (TM) ,but, as well, I don't t

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

"Jeff Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > As promised, I've written up an "ASL vs. GPL" page, for possible > inclusion on jakarta-site2. I've more tried to capture the spirit of the > thing from the Apache POV, than duplicate the detailed arguments in the > O'Reilly article referenced a

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On 3/7/02 8:06 AM, "Danny Angus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ceki, > >> My own personal experience indicates that if you first seek consesus >> before acting, you are likely to never get anywhere. Regards, Ceki > > Point taken, however in this case surely some degree of peer approval needs

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

Ceki, > My own personal experience indicates that if you first seek consesus > before acting, you are likely to never get anywhere. Regards, Ceki Point taken, however in this case surely some degree of peer approval needs to be gained before people publicly express views as the views of the pro

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

>Ceki are you sure? >>I think we definitely need a solid document countering the >> idyllic but false world depicted >> by the FSF. > >I agree with comments you have made already, about the importance of licence >and legal to ASF, Jakarta, and individuals involved, but I'm still not >convinced th

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

Hi Alex, You are absolutely right. I thought I had this one nailed but apparently not. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Regards, Ceki >> Asunto: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? >> The "Working Without Copyleft" article is remarkably good. The point >&g

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=license http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=licence alex wrote: > > At 09:16 07/03/02, Danny Angus wrote: > > > It is spelled licence. ;-) > > Wow - we managed to correct Jon on a technical point! (Just kidding Jon - > no offence) > > licenSe is what Apac

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

At 09:16 07/03/02, Danny Angus wrote: > > It is spelled licence. ;-) Wow - we managed to correct Jon on a technical point! (Just kidding Jon - no offence) licenSe is what Apache Software Foundation does - ie the act of licensing. licenCe is the document or permit given - eg the file itself.

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

> you have the option of following the terms and conditions > either of that version or of any later version published by the Free > Software Foundation. If the Library does not specify a license version > number, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software > Foundation." Sou

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

Hi Ceki, > -Mensaje original- > De: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Enviado el: miércoles 6 de marzo de 2002 23:39 > Para: Jakarta General List [snip] > Asunto: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? > The "Working Without Copyleft" article i

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

> From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > The question is: "How do you want to spend your time?" > > Possible answers: > > 1> Fighting an "unwinnable" (defined as the argument having a logical > conclusion where one side overwhelmingly wins) religious war with the > GNU hordes (hi

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

It is spelled licence. ;-) > -Original Message- > From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? > > > on 3/6/02 5:29 PM, "Andrew

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

Ceki are you sure? >I think we definitely need a solid document countering the > idyllic but false world depicted > by the FSF. I agree with comments you have made already, about the importance of licence and legal to ASF, Jakarta, and individuals involved, but I'm still not convinced that this(

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 21:07, Jeff Turner wrote: > On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:47:49PM -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > My opinion is you've come across just about as objective as Richard > > Stallman would be in the Microsoft Beta testing program. > > :-> Pretending to be objective is not my s

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 07:47:49PM -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > My opinion is you've come across just about as objective as Richard > Stallman would be in the Microsoft Beta testing program. :-> Pretending to be objective is not my strong point. > No offense but this is EXACTLY the opposit

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

on 3/6/02 5:29 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1 -- I just think that needs to be prominantly linked... I'm pretty > satisfied with it. Linked and the filename changed. LicenSe. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 20:28, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: > on 3/6/02 4:52 PM, "Marc Saegesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would love to see a document describes the Apache Software License, the > > philosophy behind it and why we think the ASL is a good thing. > > Probably suggesting more c

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

on 3/6/02 4:52 PM, "Marc Saegesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would love to see a document describes the Apache Software License, the > philosophy behind it and why we think the ASL is a good thing. Probably suggesting more content for this page would be a good idea: http://www.apache.

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

is" between say the top 3. I'll have to look again but I think the doc linked from the manual does this. > Marc Saegesser > > > -Original Message- > > From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:43 PM > > To: Ja

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 11:38:42PM +0100, Ceki Gülcü wrote: > > Jeff, > > Kudos for having the courage to proceed with this. Comments inline. :) It's not easy or fun. > At 08:46 07.03.2002 +1100, Jeff Turner wrote: ... > >Why prefer the ASL to a copyleft license (eg GPL)? > >--

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

FSF doesn't like. I think we win. Marc Saegesser > -Original Message- > From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:43 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? > > > > > A

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

My opinion is you've come across just about as objective as Richard Stallman would be in the Microsoft Beta testing program. No offense but this is EXACTLY the opposite of what is needed. Way too inflamatory, partisan and counter-productive to the target of just "explaining to the confused" as

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

At 16:17 06.03.2002 -0600, you wrote: >-1 > >I'm not sure we need this at all. I disagree. I think we definitely need a solid document countering the idyllic but false world depicted by the FSF. It's just a gargantuan task to come up with a such a document. Regards, Ceki -- To unsubscribe,

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

Jeff, Kudos for having the courage to proceed with this. Comments inline. At 08:46 07.03.2002 +1100, Jeff Turner wrote: >Hi, > >As promised, I've written up an "ASL vs. GPL" page, for possible >inclusion on jakarta-site2. I've more tried to capture the spirit of the >thing from the Apache POV,

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 08:46:51AM +1100, Jeff Turner wrote: > Hi, > > As promised, I've written up an "ASL vs. GPL" page, for possible > inclusion on jakarta-site2. ... > Please vote on whether you think the reasons outlined here are > sufficiently representative. Constructive criticism and chan

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

-1 I'm not sure we need this at all. If it stopped after the first paragraph and didn't mention copyleft and GPL in the title I'd be -0. Shouldn't this really be an ASF level decision instead of a Jakarta level one? Marc Saegesser > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Turner [mailto:[EM