Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Endre Stølsvik
On 10 Dec 2001, Kevin A. Burton - burtonator wrote: | Give jon a break. With all the hard work he has done he at least deserves the | benefit of the doubt on all these e-mails. What about the times when there is no doubt? When he just behaves totally assholeish? | | When you come close to

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread lloyd
In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything, then you are just leeching off the hard work of the many individuals behind the Jakarta project What does one's relative standing in the Jakarta project have to do with how you conduct yourself with other project members - or even

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Tiseo, Paul
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:45 PM When you come close to 1/5th the amount of work he has done for Apache then you can judge. So, if I understand Apache's so-called meritocracy system, the more you do for a project, the more

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Jim Jagielski
At 10:32 AM -0500 12/11/01, Tiseo, Paul wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:45 PM When you come close to 1/5th the amount of work he has done for Apache then you can judge. So, if I understand Apache's so-called meritocracy

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Tuesday, December 11, 2001, at 03:19 PM, lloyd wrote: In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything, then you are just leeching off the hard work of the many individuals behind the Jakarta project What does one's relative standing in the Jakarta project have to do with how you

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 12/11/01 10:32 AM, Tiseo, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 4:45 PM When you come close to 1/5th the amount of work he has done for Apache then you can judge. So, if I understand Apache's so-called

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, robert burrell donkin wrote: if you want things to change, then you need to do something about it (am i sounding like jon? ;) if you were to answer newbie questions - to the best of your ability - then jon wouldn't have to make time to answer them. there's something

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega
I vastly respect Jon's contributions to Apache -- but I'm disappointed that he doesn't seem to care that his approach to email makes the overall community smaller than it otherwise would be (due to people not being willing to deal with his style). Thanks Craig, Sorry Jon, I Agree..

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread GOMEZ Henri
In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything, then you are just leeching off the hard work of the many individuals behind the Jakarta project Everybody could disagree with someone but the generally accepted rule is to stay correct with the person. There is many forums on the web to

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 12/11/01 5:12 PM, GOMEZ Henri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my opinion, if you haven't contributed anything, then you are just leeching off the hard work of the many individuals behind the Jakarta project Everybody could disagree with someone but the generally accepted rule is to stay

RE: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Paulo Gaspar
He's busy these days, so we can all take turns proxying for him, with the caveat that you have to work hard on Jakarta stuff like he does to be a proxy. Who are you trying to fool? You would be never able to impersonate him!!! =;o) Paulo P.S.: And I am not talking about working hard.

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-11 Thread Scott Tavares
- Original Message - From: robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip if you want things to change, then you need to do something about it (am i sounding like jon? ;) if you were to answer newbie questions - to the best of your ability - then jon wouldn't have to make time to

The Avalon Team is proud to announce Avalon Framework 4.1

2001-12-11 Thread Berin Loritsch
Avalon Framework 4.1 Released - The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.1 final release of the Avalon Framework. About Avalon The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is separated into five sub projects: Framework, Excalibur,